Sweet Cakes final order: Gresham Bakery must pay $135,000 (Oregon)

Oregonian ^ | 07/02/2015 | George Rede

[aimhigh]

This definitely needs to be taken all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary.

All the judges are liberal in Oregon. From there, it goes to the 9th circus. They could just file for bankruptcy since it's an adminstrative penalty.

[grobdriver]

Rachel Cryer and her gal-pal need to run into some unintended consequences.

[sauropod]

+2.

Do not comply.

[IronJack]

Refuse.

[IronJack]

The skanks that started this are the real offenders. Yeah, this judge is an idiot, but if anyone needs to be tracked down and taken to the woodshed, it's the intolerant c__ts who filed the charges.

When the war starts, I would not want to be in their (sensible) shoes.

[driftless2]

Do you think a business has to make a type of product for a consumer whether they think the product they will make goes against their conscience? Should a Jewish baker be forced to make a Nazi-themed cake?

The Nazi Party is legal in all states. According to your logic, the Jewish baker MUST!!! bake that cake for the Nazis and decorate that cake exactly the way the Nazis want it decorated.

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

Bingo.

[CitizenUSA]

Certainly there are legal groups willing to represent the bakery for free. This needs to be argued all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary. Force Kennedy to clarify his position (since Kennedy is apparently the only justice that matters anymore). We’ll either get a ruling saying we are free to exercise religion, or we’ll know liberty no longer exists in the USA.

[5th MEB]

Definitely takes it up the AZZZZ

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

The easy way out would have been to say”Oh! Sorry! We’ll be on vacation then. The bakery will be closed.” Take a couple days off.

[bolobaby]

They should take more than a several days off. I have an idea where...

What's good for the goose (draft dodgers) is good for the gander (persecuted for religion). Empty your bank account and get to Canada in a quiet area, FAST!

[The_Reader_David]

And it is a First Amendment case, free exercise of religion as the Founders meant it is broader than freedom of worship and belief, which is what the left want to limit it to.

So the question is, in the new land of Newspeak jurisprudence we live in, in which words mean whatever a majority vote of the SCOTUS says they mean, does "free exercise of religion" now denote the same thing as the phrase from the old Soviet Constitution "freedom of worship and anti-religious propaganda"?

'I don't know what you mean by "glory",' Alice said.

Humpty Dumpty Justice Kennedy smiled contemptuously. 'Of course you don't — till I tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"'

'But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument",' Alice objected.

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty Justice Kennedy said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty Justice Kennedy, 'which is to be master — that's all.'

[Old Grumpy]

Thanks for that donation site. I just went there and made a small donation. Wish I could afford more. If everybody in the country donated, it would make a statement of unity for these folks.

[CitizenUSA]

Yeah, that would be the easy way, but I’m at the point I would rather have this conflict between competing civil rights come to a head. Homosexuality either trumps free exercise of religion or free exercise trumps homosexuality. Christians will survive and probably even grow stronger if it’s the former. The apostles certainly took great joy in being punished for Christ, as it was evidence they were worthy of following in His footsteps.

I prefer to live in a free country of course, but I don’t really think we’re free anymore. However, maybe I’ll be proven wrong and Americans will rally to protect free EXERCISE of religion. Votes haven’t changed much recently, but we still have the mechanisms in place. A large enough protest vote can still theoretically force change, but the odds are very much against us.

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

I fully agree with you,,,, but,,, as small business people, whose lives depended on their bakery? They’ve been royally screwed! They can’t afford it!

[refermech]

ms like it would have been a lot easier to just make a really crappy cake for the couple.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Bless you. I wish all FReepers did the same. Let's stop wringing our hands and moaning "Oh woe is me" and DO something.

If we don't actually SUPPORT these people, we're no earthly good to anybody.

Please, freepers, give to support the good guys on this one:

https://www.alliancedefendingfreedom.org/page/courageous-believers?referral=I0615MAR5

[CitizenUSA]

I’ve bookmarked the site and will take another look at it when I can give. It looks like a worthy organization.

https://www.alliancedefendingfreedom.org/page/courageous-believers?referral=I0615MAR5

[DoodleDawg]

It refused to furnish a specific decoration for a specific kind of ceremony. This was not like walking into a place and purchasing a blank cake.

Based on the story it doesn't sound like it got that far. Once they found out it was a cake for a same sex wedding the store told them no, and told them why. Unfortunately they gave the lesbian couple the ammunition they needed, though at the time I'm sure they never in their wildest dreams thought they'd be hauled into court.

[DoodleDawg]

Do you think a business has to make a type of product for a consumer whether they think the product they will make goes against their conscience? Should a Jewish baker be forced to make a Nazi-themed cake?

The unfortunate fact of the matter is that Nazis are not a protected class while homosexuals, at least in Oregon, are. So Sweet Cakes, or your Jewish baker, could have refused to bake the cake and they would have been free from prosecution. But refusing to bake a cake for homosexuals or blacks or handicapped or any other protected class will get you in trouble. I'm not saying it's right, it's just the way it is.