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The Complicated Political History Of The Confederate Flag
NPR ^ | June 22, 2015 | Jessica Taylor

Posted on 06/23/2015 4:41:02 PM PDT by virtuous

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To: jmacusa

No I agree with that. Both sides broke agreements and one could argue that we brought civilization and yet one could say they were oppressed too.
there in lies the hypocrisy by mostly those on the left. Selective outrage.
We could go back to the Romans enslaving the Brits.

The fact is that we can all look to find oppression, but in the end people need to get over their offending tactics and stop going by the media frenzy. Tis battle over the battle flag was done 15 years ago and the left agreed and now they use the shooting and dead bodies to further their agenda.


21 posted on 06/23/2015 5:32:36 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: virtuous

The complicated history of the US flag. Blah,blah, blah. All this over a flag that was official for about 5 years. We must be doing simething right. The establishment is very afraid of the Rebels !


22 posted on 06/23/2015 5:34:25 PM PDT by Carry me back (.)
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To: joshua c

Washington DC, 1925

23 posted on 06/23/2015 5:37:31 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: grania

Bingo, attackibg the culture of the founder and builders. They want to take our nation from us. This attack is against America. Not just the south. Plenty of paid off traitors willing to make the deal. The gjvenors of VA,SC, McConnell ect. Power hungry lovers of money.


24 posted on 06/23/2015 5:39:30 PM PDT by Carry me back (.)
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To: GregoTX

Margaret Sanger probably marching along with them. Amazing how the Klan was able to get Progressives to do their dirty work. So much so, Klan doesn’t need to organize anymore.


25 posted on 06/23/2015 5:40:18 PM PDT by scbison
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To: virtuous
She was joined by the state's Republican Sens. Lindsey Graham — who is running for president —

No she isn't, she only thinks she is. Princess Lindsey will get as far as Hillary does.

26 posted on 06/23/2015 6:03:13 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: jmacusa
There’s’’ honor and valor’’ going to war to defend slavery and violently split the nation in two?

You mean like the slave holding 13 colonies did when they split from the British union?

If the South had prevailed what would America look like today?

Is this the argument that a drug addicted wife would be better off with her abusive husband whether she likes it or not?

What difference does it make how much better off someone would be, would you still force them to remain? Is their no right to self determination, or must we be forced to comply with the will of others who are more powerful?

Careful how you answer that, because that is exactly what slavery is.

27 posted on 06/23/2015 6:09:46 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: joshua c
Did the KKK fly the American flag?

Just wondering.....

Quite a lot.


28 posted on 06/23/2015 6:12:55 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: jmacusa
Oh, please with’’The Indians’’. Study some real history. They were not the happy children of the plains and woodlands.

Read some history yourself. Read about the Trail of Tears.

29 posted on 06/23/2015 6:14:07 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: jmacusa
Their land? Who said so? How did a people who professed no concept of ownership of earth or territory become it's prior ''owners''?

Now you are just showing your ignorance. That was true of some tribes, but the five civilized tribes, forcibly removed from their land by Andrew Jackson's "Indian Removal act" had farms, houses, stores, towns, blacksmiths, etc.

The Cherokees had their own printing presses and newspapers for crying out loud!


30 posted on 06/23/2015 6:21:17 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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and yet even you cannot deny the Indians were not oppressed after the war between the states.

They were oppressed BEFORE the civil war. The five civilized tribes were kicked off their land and forced to march to Oklahoma, there to be put on reservations.

They lost everything. It is reminiscent of how the Jews property was seized by the Nazis, but at least the Oklahoma Reservations were better than the concentration camps.

All of that was done under the Stars and Stripes.

31 posted on 06/23/2015 6:24:10 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: jmacusa
No. But they were a savage and war-like people in their own right. They waged war on each other and white settlers, especially the first arrivals here and broke treaties they made with whites as did whites with them. They weren’t powerless like black slaves. They were just overwhelmed in the end. BTW, how many all black owned casinos are there in America?

You really ought to stop talking about things of which you have no knowledge. The Indian nations were just that. Separate Nations. Saying "Indians" did this or that, is like saying "Europeans" did this or that. What one Nation of Indians may or may not have done, does not speak for what other Nations did or did not do.

Again, The Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek (Muscogee), and Seminole, were not that far away from Medieval Europe in terms of communities and their organizations. Many of them quickly adopted European customs, appearances, and methodologies.

32 posted on 06/23/2015 6:30:39 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: virtuous

I think that you have the flag designs mixed up. The first Confederate flag design -— “The Stars and Bars” -— consisted of three broad horizontal stripes (two red, one white) with a blue field in the upper left quadrant and containing embroidered stars to represent the Confederate States. It was easily confused in the heat of battle with the Union Stars and Stripes. Thus a number of different Confederate flag designs emerged. The Army of Northern Virginia under General R.E. Lee adopted the well known battle flag design of crossed blue diagonal stripes on a red background. This is the flag that you erroneously refer to as the “Stars and Bars” but is more commonly known as and referred to in the South as the “Southern Cross”.


33 posted on 06/23/2015 8:22:37 PM PDT by OldeGoat
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To: jjotto

About that time a Klansman ran for Gov. of Indiana as “The Klan” candidate. And won!


34 posted on 06/23/2015 11:18:20 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: manc

Yes, I agree with your points.


35 posted on 06/24/2015 6:24:59 AM PDT by jmacusa
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To: DiogenesLamp
Oh, yeah. They were all peace loving happy children of the forest. Like ‘’Medieval Europe’’.So, ah, where are the great cathedrals?
36 posted on 06/24/2015 6:28:46 AM PDT by jmacusa
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To: jmacusa

The village idiot speaks again. Nobody listens to you anymore.


37 posted on 06/24/2015 6:36:11 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: virtuous; Idaho_Cowboy; DiogenesLamp; nathanbedford; Georgia Girl 2; MinuteGal; All
However, of the three flags the Confederacy would go on to adopt, none are the Confederate flag that is traditionally recognized today. The "Stars and Bars" flag, currently the subject of controversy, was actually the battle flag of Gen. Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia.

So the Confederacy adopted three flags, and none of them was the "Stars and Bars"? Now why did they need three different flags? Can anyone post images of those three flags?

The Army of Northern Virginia battle flag, BTW, has 13 stars, though the Confederacy only had 11 member states at its peak. From what I've read, at the time the "Stars and Bars were first used, it was anticipated that Kentucky and Missouri would also secede to make 13, but that never officially happened.

38 posted on 06/24/2015 7:26:39 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: central_va

And a fine how do you do to you too General.


39 posted on 06/24/2015 9:19:11 AM PDT by jmacusa
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To: central_va

Hey village idiot, you got those links yet?


40 posted on 06/24/2015 9:22:09 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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