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To: iowamark

Has anybody else noticed that every issue that becomes controversial nowadays is made so by liberals who define the it? Guns: Evil killing machines vs. self defense tools. Abortion: Women’s choice vs. infanticide. Confederate Battle Flag: Symbol of slavery and treason vs. a symbol of states attempting to assert their own rights.

Isn’t it about time we stopped fighting on their ground? Too many people still believe that the War between the States was about slavery when in fact it was more about economic survival for the South. The slavery issue was brought in later - and by the Northern liberals at that!


15 posted on 06/22/2015 4:50:18 PM PDT by oldfart
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To: oldfart
That's a tired canard.

The South economy's was thriving as never before in 1860.

The Civil War was about sore losers who were mad that an election they thought they were guaranteed to win didn't go their way.

That's literally what happened.

In fact, had the South's economy not been growing like gangbusters, the Confederacy couldn't have put armies in the field that quickly with that much gear.

20 posted on 06/22/2015 4:57:16 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: oldfart

well, this time the mass murderer in Charleston was sort of the one who made it an issue.


21 posted on 06/22/2015 4:59:13 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: oldfart
The slavery issue was brought in later? By Northern liberals? hahahahahahahahahahaha

Let's have a look, shall we, at the South Carolina Declaration of Causes of Secession:

In the present case, that fact is established with certainty. We assert that fourteen of the States have deliberately refused, for years past, to fulfill their constitutional obligations, and we refer to their own Statutes for the proof.

The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."

This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.

The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

But sure, slavery was only brought into it by Northern liberals, well into the war.

24 posted on 06/22/2015 5:02:25 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: oldfart

“Isn’t it about time we stopped fighting on their ground? Too many people still believe that the War between the States was about slavery when in fact it was more about economic survival for the South. The slavery issue was brought in later - and by the Northern liberals at that!”

Thank you!!! The Civil War was about States Rights! There was almost a civil war in 1830’s. This battle had been brewing since the inception of our Nation.

What? The left claims white people are racists, yet they insist that thousands of white men fought to either free or enslave blacks. Either way, if whites are racist they would not care.

You are correct that it was not an initial issue. It was brought forward to make legitimate a war that was becoming very unpopular up north.


33 posted on 06/22/2015 5:18:53 PM PDT by Wiz-Nerd
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To: oldfart

Not true.
South Carolina’s declaration was written about losing our way of life ( slavery).
They sent delegations to the as yet undeclared States to convince them that their way of life was threatened


114 posted on 06/23/2015 11:50:20 PM PDT by South Dakota
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