Posted on 06/20/2015 6:52:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Not sure what church taught you that but they were quire mistaken as the Pope speaks for God.
Read the above.
Comment #2:
I really don't think that a Good Catholic can be a Good Republican.
I also don't think that a Good Conservative can be a Good Republican.
I do think that the only viable point of view for a Good Catholic is to be a Good Conservative. But Conservative and Republican are not synonymous and, more and more, are becoming mutually exclusive.
“Not sure what church taught you that but they were quire mistaken as the Pope speaks for God.”
Not when he’s only giving a prudential opinion. And it’s the Catholic Church who taught me and I have a mandatum that shows I know what I’m talking about - not to mention a graduate degree from a Catholic university. There are some stupid, poorly catechized “Catholics” here who have little idea of what they’re talking about when it comes to Pope Francis. I’m not one of them. I think accuracy and precision and truth and facts ALWAYS matter - even when talking about Pope Francis.
Well the Catholic church I was raised in taught that the Pope was God’s vicar on earth. Now if God’s own vicar is there to give helpful advice that mirrors Miley Cyrus, methinks that either God is either not paying attention or one of us is mistaken. Guess which.
Link please.
“Well the Catholic church I was raised in taught that the Pope was God’s vicar on earth.”
And yet that doesn’t mean his prudential opinion is God’s teaching. And I know darn well that’s what the Church taught when you were “raised” as well.
“Now if God’s own vicar is there to give helpful advice that mirrors Miley Cyrus, methinks that either God is either not paying attention or one of us is mistaken. Guess which.”
Here’s the truth: you’re mistaken. I’m not.
How can any American politician that swears to defend the U.S. Constitution, pay heed, follow, agree with, and make laws issuing from, ANYTHING that a man in another country speaks, evokes, writes, issues, decrees, from a supposed seat of some kind of ethereal authority?
It’s insane.
When we ‘divorced’ ourselves from England, we ‘divorced’ ourselves from any European religious influence, as a nation.
It is a collection of data on past American elections.
Which election do you think that the majority of Protestants voted democrat, that I left out?
Doesn't she have ANYTHING to THANK GOD for??? You....children....LIFE??
Which words? Certainly they do when they speak ex cathedra, but this encyclical is not at that level of authority.
Do the Pope's opinions on matters that are not of the faith, e.g., soccer or kitchen sinks, carry any special weight? I don't think they do. To the extent that he strays into scientific judgements that are not required by the faith (e.g., "humans cause global warming" does not have the same relationship to the faith as "Adam and Eve existed, and the Fall is real"), I don't think he has any special authority. Maybe he commands respectful attention, in those cases, but I see no grounds for him to command obedience or agreement.
Mmmkay sweetie. Have a nice day.
In what context? If the Pope had whispered in your ear three weeks ago that Cleveland was going to win the NBA finals, would that have been God speaking? When Golden State won, would that have meant God was mistaken?
Of course not, on both counts.
The term "speak for God" in itself is problematical. It is Catholic dogma that public revelation ended with the death of the last Apostle. "Public revelation" is the same as "inspired teaching" which is teaching that speaks precisely what God wishes be spoken. If the Pope "spoke for God" in the literal sense of the phrase, that would mean he was capable of adding to public revelation and pronouncing inspired (not merely infallible) teaching at any time ...
... which is not Catholic doctrine.
So according to your position, The Pope is basically Siri. He just gives advice with no authority. Then what is the point of having a Pope to begin with? Every priest does that.
When I decide to commit X sin, the o\pope’s OPINION is optional.
So then by what authority does he lead? By what authority can he issue a statement? Bu what authority can he do ANYTHING to guide the faithful? By what authority does a Pope EXCOM someone? is is only an advisor position right?
The wheat is fairly jumping off the chaff, isn’t it?
Unfortunately, my wife has stopped attending church also.
It grieves me.
“Nuanced way?!!!”
Please tell me you’re kidding.
Well no sweetie, the democrats only won the majority of the Protestant vote in 1932, 1936, and 1964, don’t you find that that significant?
The republicans have only won the Catholic vote about 4 to 6 times, depending on the polling data used, and most of those were for an incumbent president already in office, or in 1988, Reagan’s veep, before going back to form and being anti-republican, benefiting Bill Clinton.
There are dozens of other factors, seen only by the Savior, that determine that holy question. Merely holding certain political opinions is likely very low on that list.
The problem with offering stupid solutions based on a false assumption in some semi theological proclamation by a current leader of Catholics which would hurt the very people you wish to help. Such as urging placing a prohibitively high price on fossil fuels to discourage their use because it will save the world from “carbon warming”. Demeans the value of the document and the balance of moral assertions made in it.
Furthurmore it allows critics such as Damon Linker expressing left wing views in the radical anti-religion publication “The Week” to resurrect the Papacy question. Questioning of members of that large group where their loyalty lies. Which is to core beliefs centered around a ritual known as The Mass and not to any Pope who should have chosen the name (sun revolves around the earth) Urban not Francis.
If every single Catholic voted Dem and every single Protestant voted Rep, we would have a Rep president. Liberal Catholics have a lot of help from liberal Protestants. Considering Protestants are the majority Christians, it would make sense mathematically to preach to your own choir, so to speak.
What a strange thing for a supposed pro-life conservative to say.
The majority of Catholic Christians vote pro-abortion/pro-gay marriage/democrat.
The majority of Christians who do not belong to the Catholic denomination, vote pro-life/pro-marriage/republican.
If you are a pro-life conservative, don’t you think that you should be concerned about the Catholic vote, and the mass immigration of Catholics as the democrats want, rather than attacking republican voters?
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