Don’t Drink The Obamatrade Snake Oil

The Federalist ^ | NOVEMBER 10, 2014 | Scott Lincicome and Bill Watson

[SoConPubbie]

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[P-Marlowe]

If it is so darn good for America, then it shouldn’t have any trouble meeting the Constitutional requirement of a 2/3 ratification by the Senate.

The Founders intended that these agreements (documents formerly known as treaties) must get 2/3 approval of the Senate so as to ensure that less well represented states are not left in the lurch.

Apparently you are advocating not only for TPA (which Ted Cruz voted for) but this top secret treaty that nobody is legally allowed to discuss in public.

The TPP may be the best treaty ever entered into by a president in the history of the republic, but it needs 2/3 of the Senate in order to pass the Constitutional requirement for implementation.

[MarchonDC09122009]

These pro TPA TPP are disappointingly one sided, and do nothing to address the fact that Obola is Not worthy to be trusted to negotiate Anything in secret with other countries.
Why aren’t all of our Congressmen and Senators able to freely review and take notes on the TPP’S 800+ pages?
How come nobody is credibly refuting what’s been leaked about the little that we have learned about the agreement.
TPP terms will be kept secret up to four years after passage.
TPP affects immigration and Visa policy with the 11 signatory countries.
Trade with TPP countries will not be required to be on a level playing field pertaining to US food and drug safety regulations, and currency manipulations that provide unjust advantage.

All trade agreements need full disclosure, and careful deliberation before becoming signed and binding law.
The rush to ram TPP thru without a public review, is likely because the devil is in the details.

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[RKBA Democrat]

For the amount of spin we’re seeing on this, the gop e sure must be anxious to pass it. I hadn’t heard “if you like your job, you can keep your job, period.” I’ll be sure to use it.

I wouldn’t give dear leader fast track authority to run a lemonade stand let alone negotiate a trade agreement. More to the point though, the big trade agreement in question, the TPP, is already essentially negotiated. So why the need for fast track? TPA has little to do with negotiating. TPA is merely the mechanism to be used to ram TPP or whatever other godawful trade agreement the kleptocrats come up with through congress.

And Ted Cruz, the conservative judas goat, is eager to help get it done.

[fortheDeclaration]

These bills have nothing to do with free trade.

[fortheDeclaration]

If Cruz for the TPP he is toast.

[Diogenesis]

This thread is on ObamaTRADE - which Toast Cruz
supports against the American people.

[1rudeboy]

You speak for the American people? Glad to meet you.

[philman_36]

NAFTA at 10: An Economic and Foreign Policy Success

In reality, NAFTA was never going to have much of an impact on the U.S. economy. America’s GDP at the time was almost 20 times larger than Mexico’s, and U.S. tariffs against Mexican goods already averaged a low 2 percent.

Snip...For the United States, NAFTA was more about foreign policy than about the domestic economy.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

[philman_36]

These bills have nothing to do with free trade.

See 11.

[freedomfiter2]

Every time you link Cruz to TPA/TPP you cost him votes and donations. For Ted’s sake, please keep these things separate.

[central_va]

The case for free trade is simple and decisive. Not only is there overwhelming economic consensus as to the benefits of open markets for American consumers, workers, and companies, but the antithesis of free trade—protectionism—is clearly an immoral use of government force to thwart voluntary private transactions, raise domestic prices, and thereby line the pockets of a few, well-connected cronies. Protectionism raises costs, lowers living standards, and redistributes money from American families and businesses (more than half of all imports are industrial inputs and machinery) to a handful of firms that have successfully lobbied the government to inhibit foreign competition through forcible, non-market means.

The following founding fathers would disagree, George Washington, Madison, Jefferson, Adams .......(basically all of them)

[freedomfiter2]

Well, I certainly trust the judgment of our communist run State Department.

[philman_36]

Every time you link Cruz to TPA/TPP you cost him votes and donations.

Read 90 and 91.

[novemberslady]

I see that they're trying to move forward with Trade Promotion Authority in the house as I type.

I will not vote for, or support any republican that votes for this.

[InterceptPoint]

A pretty good article and Free Republic itself is a small test tube of the much larger debate of TPA/FTA and TPP that the article describes. FR has its supporters and critics of the Trade Agreement and they perfectly mirror the groups described in the article. For example just read this paragraph from near the end that describes the groups opposing the Trade Bills:

"... Unlike the libertarian populism of the real, mainstream Tea Party movement, the Obamatrade campaign is fueled by a form of economic nationalism better associated with Pat Buchanan and Phyllis Schlafly, whose writings and videos are featured prominently on the group’s website. That website is hosted by the American Jobs Alliance, a retrograde organization that advocates using industrial policy and high tariffs to “bring back” American jobs that were “shipped overseas” by “global corporations” (cue ominous music). These folks are full-throated protectionists who believe in cutting off the United States from the global economy. Such archaic, misguided economic views echo the views of U.S. labor unions and the far, far Left, not grassroots conservatives."

I happen to agree with this characterization. We are seeing right here on FR an alliance of the isolationist Pat Buchanan and Rand Paul supporters with, whodathunkit, the Labor Unions and the Far, Far, Far Left.

The Anti-Trade Protectionist Coalition.

Strange Bedfellows for sure. Maybe it is time for these people to reexamine their basic premises.

[indthkr]

The TPP is a free-trade agreement with 11 other countries

LMAO!

Secret Trade is not Free Trade.

It's Inside-the-Beltway K-Street Trade, with a large dose of crony capitalism and social engineering.

If everybody ultimately goes along and votes for it, that's the way it is. But don't call it a Free Trade treaty - that is simply laughable.

[right way right]

An old article and long but it really shows how we got here.
If only people would read it.