Posted on 06/14/2015 2:52:22 PM PDT by lowbridge
I would add that they are the child's **only** teachers. Yes, they may enlist help from paid and unpaid tutors and the child ( himself) but ultimately it is in the home and outside the classroom where the real education happens.
I came to this conclusion when I noticed that academically successful homeschoolers and institutionalized children spent the same amount of time in formal study, at the kitchen table, **in the home**. Academically successful institutionally schooled children were telling me that they were spending up to 3 or more hours a day doing homework in the home! Well!....Gee!....At most, my homeschoolers spent up to 2 hours in formal study in the home.
My conclusion: The real learning and teaching is happening outside of school in the home, in study clubs, private or paid tutoring, or by the child educating himself by doing independent reading, homework, and home assignments.
Sadly, taxpayers may be spending up to $30,000/year/child to institutionalize a child in a government school and it is unknown where the learning takes place ( outside or inside the classroom) and who is doing the really hard work of teaching ( parents, tutors, or the child himself). These studies have **never** been done.
They seem to have time for musical instruments and dance.
Definitely; while they are viewed/portrayed as single-mindedly focused on book learning, many of the children seem to be well-rounded by the time they reach adulthood.
Yep. It is very sad. I still never get an in depth answer from either or both of my sisters who taught school. One taught special needs kids and the other middle school. I have asked time and time again why are kids so dumbed down? I got answers from we were told to teach them to pass tests to this and that. I am disgusted. It seems they got masters degrees from the local state A&M and once they made 85K they could care less.
“You would weep if you spoke to a young public school teacher today, and realize why students aren’t learning anything; these teachers today are themselves devoid of any meaningful education.”
Exactly. I got a teaching credential after working as an engineer for decades. There were 2 other engineers in my credentialing classes - part of a project to convert those in math/science fields to teachers.
All of us quit in our first year. The ‘standards’ were so low, we didn’t want to just be babysitters.
“Sadly, taxpayers may be spending up to $30,000/year/child to institutionalize a child in a government school and it is unknown where the learning takes place ( outside or inside the classroom) and who is doing the really hard work of teaching ( parents, tutors, or the child himself). These studies have **never** been done. “
A colossal waste of money. And the teachers whine that they need more of it when anything sheds light on how badly they are doing.
Actually, there’s been studies galore on how our schools are doing compared to other countries. (I know, that’s not the study you were speaking of!). But it’s hard to say our schools are doing well when we are at the bottom of the TIMSS (Trends in International Math and Science Studies - a tri-annual test given since the mid-80’s). Of course, our MSM doesn’t report the findings in the least. But every so often they do a HUGE analysis - looking at teacher education, home life, cultural issues, - an amazing array of data - that would be very helpful to fixing our schools. IF that’s what the unions and liberals had in mind.
I think you are correct. I see 8th grade projects that are part of my son’s class work that can serve no purpose other than to raise the grades of kids that can’t do real class work.
If anyone in America thinks differently, then I have a large bridge in Northern Michigan I will gladly sell you by the foot!
This is what happens when Americans let the government control every aspect of our lives, from cradle to the grave!
Now a Mother is demanding a school educate her child! What a laugh! The quicker she comes to the realization that the school is not an education center, but, a Union pensions racket and scheme, the better off she will be!
This Mother needs to get her children out of all public schools before it is too late!
Even in fields that are not usually thought of as being math intensive, not having good control of basic arithmetic is a serious handicap.
When I retired I decided to pursue an AA degree in fine art at our local community college. ( I have a doctorate in a health field.) It’s been a very interesting experience.
Last Tuesday, a project was due in my Design class. This course is fundamental for those who wish to be graphic designers. One woman brought in a project that was in not even close to the specifications for size. During the break I found her in a puddle of tears in the hallway. She sobbed that she did not know how to measure, never learned to use a ruler or tape measure, fractions and decimals were a mystery, and... ( what?) millimeters and centimeters? What are they? Measuring 1.5 inches from the top was impossible for her.
This young woman wants to be a graphic designer. There is NO possible way that this is achievable unless she has a complete re-education in basic arithmetic. She will accumulate a lot of debt on a fruitless quest, but the school will get their money.
Two weeks ago, one of the other artists ( age 29) with whom I share studio space, could not figure out how to transfer a photo image by making an enlarged drawing of it on a large canvas. (”Wintertime! Help!”) I had the problem solved in about 10 minutes using ratio and proportion and a scale factor. Factions and decimals are also a mystery to this young woman.
Last year, in a private art school, the assistant to the master artist needed to make a canvas covered panel. To support the panel there was a wood frame underneath the MDF panel. The assistant’s problem was drill a recessed screw into the front of the MDF panel into the supporting boards underneath. Again. She was not able to do the simple division of factions needed to find the middle of the supporting boards so she could drill the hole.
They have **always** been nothing more than re-education camps. Please read John Gatto’s history of government schooling and who pushed on the American public.
I read the article. It didn't say for sure... but I'm thinking that the above statement means that the students can essentially spend an additional year at the school, to retake the course.
Can you imagine: "Here's you HS Diploma. Congratulations. Unfortunately, you weren't actually taught anything. So, we're going to let you come back next year and be a senior all over again. And this time - we'll try to assign a teacher who will actually teach you something. Maybe."?????
Somebody needs to be in jail.
Wow, I never would’ve thought a lack of math skills would impact art!
I find it affecting grocery shopping all the time. Prices in the computers are wrong a lit, and the cashiers usually can’t figure out how to charge the right amount.
HEY, I knew everyone of those letters!!!!!!!!A+
The parents are usually victims of the same failed school systems.....dumber than rocks....If they are both there which is highly unlikely.
When it comes to a good education without social engineering, all roads lead to HOMESCHOOL!
That’s not the public schools job. Their job is to collect union dues for their Dem masters.
““She does other things, like sell jewelry in the class, but no instruction has taken place,””
At least she’s practicing free enterprise in front of the students.
One of my son’s high school teacher used to let the class watch MTV.
17% Hmmm??
Does that mean that 83% Do Not possess the necessary skills to earn a High School Diploma purely on Academics??
If So, then isn’t it also FRAUD to Falsify Official Government Records for Profit or Gain?? Last Time I looked your Public School Records are “Official” government documents.
Shouldn’t we be PROSECUTING these fraudsters??
One of the kids could pretty well figure it out, but the surprising thing was the response from several teachers....
The sunlight is just there, you see the sun, there is the light.....and if you saw the star explode last night, it exploded last night.....
The fact that the nearest star is about 4 light years away was beyond them, and that light travels at 186,000 mps AND THE SUN IS 93,000,000 MILES AWAY WAS INCOMPREHENSIBLE TO THEM...Whoops, hit the caps button.
I was more than amazed!!!!!
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