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Lancastria: The forgotten tragedy of World War Two
BBC Scotland ^ | 13th June 2015 | Graham Fraser

Posted on 06/13/2015 7:34:16 AM PDT by the scotsman

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To: campaignPete R-CT

I thing the Japanese might point out one or two other engagements that resulted in a large loss of life.


21 posted on 06/13/2015 9:29:05 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Fiji Hill
“The Lancastria was the largest loss of life from a single engagement in World War Two”

Really?


22 posted on 06/13/2015 9:31:37 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: the scotsman
Sultana
23 posted on 06/13/2015 9:41:02 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: the scotsman
Battle of Hastings 1066,

Although there continued to be rebellions and resistance to William's rule, Hastings effectively marked the culmination of William's conquest of England. Casualty figures are hard to come by, but some historians estimate that 2,000 invaders died along with about twice that number of Englishmen. William founded a monastery at the site of the battle, the high altar of the abbey church supposedly placed at the spot where Harold died.

twice 2,000 is 4,000 so at least 4,000 died there.

I sure engagements on the WW1 battle field saw more then 4,000 dead.

24 posted on 06/13/2015 9:45:19 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: jpsb

9 March, 1945, 0100-0400 hrs..B-29’s firebombed Tokyo..80,000 min estimate Jap dead..single raid.


25 posted on 06/13/2015 9:51:31 AM PDT by AFret.
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To: the scotsman
The Lancastria was the largest loss of life from a single engagement in World War Two

Not even close to being accurate.

Not even close. Number 9 on the list for ship sinkings in World War II.

Wilhelm Gustloff 1945 Sunk by Soviet sub Appx 9400 lost
Goya 1945 sunk by Soviet sub Appx 7-8000
Armenia 1941 sunk by German plane Appx 7000
Junyō Maru 1944 sunk by British sub. Appx 5600, mostly Dutch POWs killed
Toyama Maru 1944 sunk by American Sub. Appx 5400 killed.
Cap Arcona 1945 sunk by British aircraft. Appx 5000
Ryusei Maru 1944 sunk by American sub. Appx 5000 killed
Tamatsu Maru 1944 sunk by American sub. Appx 4500 killed
Finally, Lancastria.

26 posted on 06/13/2015 10:12:08 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Tijeras_Slim
The wording can be taken either way, but I get your point.

Indeed, the wording is quite ambiguous. Better:

The sinking of the Lancastria resulted in the largest loss of human life from a single military engagement during WW II...

[I am supposing that the taking of Iwo Jima and the bombings of Hamburg - or of Hiroshima or of Nagasaki - are not considered "engagements" by the author - maybe he means "naval engagement".]

...Further, it resulted in the largest loss of life ever in the whole of British maritime history.

I suspect that that is what the author meant to say.

In any event, any sentence that - even after three re-readings - still leaves room for doubt is an example of poor writing.

Regards,

27 posted on 06/13/2015 10:20:31 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: GeronL

It is a relative thing. Compared to losing the entire war, it was a victory.


28 posted on 06/13/2015 10:37:19 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: jpsb; the scotsman
There is a story that the Soviet ship Dzhurma became icebound in the Arctic Ocean in 1933 while transporting 12,000 prisoners to Gulag camps in the region. All of the prisoners as well as the guards and crew are said to have died, which would make this the worst sea disaster ever. However, although Alexander Solzhenitsyn in referred to the event in The Gulag Archipelago, others have raised doubts about this story.

The Dzhurma survived and remained in service as a prison ship. It was even serviced in Washington State during WWII.

29 posted on 06/13/2015 10:42:18 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill

thx for the info.


30 posted on 06/13/2015 10:50:21 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: the scotsman

Some context is needed, the British did manage to evacuate over 192,000 people during Operation Ariel, on top of 338,000 during Operation Dynamo.

It could have been much worse.


31 posted on 06/13/2015 5:38:41 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (Hi! I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts! (TM) Ask about franchise opportunities in your area.)
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To: the scotsman
The Lancastria was the largest loss of life from a single engagement in World War Two ...

not sure I understand...more died in Hiroshima
32 posted on 06/13/2015 9:31:12 PM PDT by stylin19a (obama = Fredo Smart)
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To: stylin19a; PAR35

I think we all agree that the writer meant British naval engagement, but wrote it badly.


33 posted on 06/14/2015 4:27:50 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: exit82

Plenty of battles where we have lost 4000+. From civil wars through the battles of Empire, to both world wars: the Somme’s first day is the worst, 20000 dead.


34 posted on 06/14/2015 4:28:45 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: TXnMA

Conspiracy nonsense IMO.


35 posted on 06/14/2015 4:29:01 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: GreenLanternCorps

Very true.


36 posted on 06/14/2015 4:29:13 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: GreenLanternCorps

Ariel/Aerial gets ignored even in the UK.


37 posted on 06/14/2015 4:31:27 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: IronJack

Remember it was the BEF, not the British Army. We started off in France with 90000, by the end it was 400000. But that still pales against the French and Belgian forces and of course the Germans.


38 posted on 06/14/2015 4:32:50 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: GeronL

Yes, it was. 338000 and another 192000 later. And the British forces didn’t flee back to Dunkirk, that’s a myth.

The BEF fought brutal and brave battles back to the coast as the French and Belgians collapsed around them. Staunch defence of ports like Dunkirk and Boulogne, the counterattack at Arras (the real reason Hitler stopped the Panzers).....


39 posted on 06/14/2015 4:34:58 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: TXnMA

Churchill of course wanted the US in the fight, but the conspiracy theories that he sacrificed US and UK lives to do so, or the Pearl Harbour nonsense, is just that: nonsense.


40 posted on 06/14/2015 4:35:56 AM PDT by the scotsman
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