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To: Cincinatus' Wife
That has .001% of passing. The odds are even worse that it could take place in under 10 years.

We need to realize that our nation's problem is not political, but spiritual. We have turned away from God.

Only turning back to Him en mass will save us. Nothing else. No amendments, laws, or candidates can save us.

3 posted on 06/07/2015 2:55:41 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: SkyPilot

I don’t know how to bring it back. 25 years ago, when me and my friends went out, we dressed sharp, sometimes had a few too many beers and tried to meet gals.
Now they do Molly, heroin, oxy’s and on and on and on.
the rave parties are an insane mix of sex and drugs. we are losing a generation.


5 posted on 06/07/2015 3:00:36 PM PDT by dp0622
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To: SkyPilot
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God" (Ps. 53:1) and that the spirit of the present age: we act as if God does not hear, does not care, does not exist regardless of what we say we believe...

We have indeed turned from the Lord and His statutes, and will on our present path meet with an unpleasant fate. Whether that fate is simple annihilation like the Canaanites or a long and dismal exile as with the Israelites, whom God loved and therefore disciplined, remains to be seen.

The only remedy that I know of is our continued muted, almost hopeless prayers for deliverance. Unlike the intertestament period wherein parents named their daughters "Mara" ("Mary", meaning "bitter"), that deliverance for us may only arrive on clouds of Glory as the Son of Man comes to claim what is his (his church) and separate the sheep from the goats.

Come quickly, Lord Jesus... Come...

8 posted on 06/07/2015 3:10:54 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: SkyPilot

I have been shouting it’s a spiritual problem since 2007 all to no avail.
But our time is short and only God can turn it if the people turn and repent and cry out.
Freegards
LEX


9 posted on 06/07/2015 3:11:05 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: SkyPilot
We need to realize that our nation's problem is not political, but spiritual. We have turned away from God.

Only turning back to Him en mass will save us. Nothing else. No amendments, laws, or candidates can save us.

We also need to realize this isn't going to happen short of much suffering. When people suffer, that is when they notice God again. When they are prosperous, they no longer see the need.

15 posted on 06/07/2015 3:26:06 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: SkyPilot

When this nation was founded not everyone was a Christian. Many came only close enough to say they respected it.

Yes we need to repent and turn to God. That has always been and will always be a need. The greatest need.

No it is not the only thing. God gave us the ability to reason and talk and write.

It is not and never has been an either/or issue. It is BOTH.

There is such a thing as general revelation. Some truths are self-evident and others are nearly that when we use the ability to reason and see the reality that the good Lord placed all around us.

Well meaning as those who say “it is the gospel and only the gospel that will work” they are MIA on their civic responsibilities, imo. These are two different spheres. They run parallel. Yes the political sphere will be better if more people are Christian. But the church itself has been known to have many moral and ethical issues itself and can also digress into its own form of tyranny if not kept in check..., so it is not the whole answer. Never has been. Many nations have made moral choices — doing instinctively what is right even though they do not know Christ. It won’t get them into Heaven, but it does happen. It does matter. And it does make the Gospel more easily received.

So in the eternal sense, choosing good over evil won’t save anyone. But it does matter, and the final judgment all face will be about those deeds. No one can earn salvation yet their deeds can and will still send many to Hell.

Romans 2:13-15New King James Version (NKJV)

13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)

It grieves me greatly when otherwise good theology becomes an obstacle to what is good. There are many important theological points to consider about our ability to do good, etc. But the O.T. is still full of examples of pre-Christian people who sometimes did right and sometimes did wrong. Plucking the gospel out of the context of God’s Lordship over His Creation since even before His redemptive work was finished is to diminish the gospel’s meaning and effectiveness.

I am sure plenty of people will disagree with me and be very capable of spouting lots of theology to prove their point. But no theology changes God’s truths about what is right and what is wrong. Even non-believers are accountable to do what is right. If the ONLY answer is to convert everyone first then why is the Church itself so messed up?

In the purest theological sense, we are incapable of good apart from God. OK. But in the “God created us and placed us here to be stewards of His creation....created in His image with the ability to reason and understand right from wring..” sense, we must always be unashamed champions of what is right and good. Yes we know how things turn out. Things get bad. But we do not know the time or the place so in the meantime.......be on the side of what is good and right. Who knows. Maybe God will in His mercy give us more time.


22 posted on 06/07/2015 4:38:58 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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