Chris Christie: No Border Fence

Of course it is. We don't need 1.1 million legal permanent immigrants a year along with 640,000 guest workers annually. We have the lowest labor participation rates in 38 years. Do you think importing over 30 million legal permanent immigrants over the past 25 years might have something to do with it?

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

I am at a loss here. I agree with you here. But you are totally missing the point. It’s the fact that h1Bs are getting turned into slave labor that results in Americans getting sodomized. And again, that goes back DIRECTLY to the pols manipulating the system to their personal advantage.

If you end the pols ability to so easily manipulate this situation, you end the problem without going all Democrat with banning legals.

And for the record, that means turning off the unlimited spigot as well. Which also addresses the issue without outright locking the doors. And considering half of America is filled with useless eaters, we are going to NEED legal immigration to fill the roles of various liberals that have become too entitled to work.

I am at a loss here. I agree with you here. But you are totally missing the point. It’s the fact that h1Bs are getting turned into slave labor that results in Americans getting sodomized. And again, that goes back DIRECTLY to the pols manipulating the system to their personal advantage.

The politicians are not manipulating the system, the bureaucracy and businesses (and in some cases local school boards) are. They are the one's applying for them. They know the rules and figure out ways to manipulate them to their advantage. That said, H1B visas are chump change when it comes to numbers. They only authorized 128,121 H-1B visas in 2013. We took in 1.1 million permanent legal immigrants during that same period.

In addition to H-1B, there is the Optional Practical Training program (“OPT”), which allows those on student visas (there are over 800,000 foreign students studying in the US at any one time, to stay work while studying or after they complete their studies.

The post completion Optional Practical Training program (“OPT”) is likely to be America’s largest guest worker program. The number of OPT guest workers has soared in recent years from 28,497 in 2008 to 123,328 in 2013. For comparison there were 128,292 H-1B visas approved in 2013. Given those trends, is it likely there are already more aliens entering the workforce on OPT than H-1B.

OPT is unique among guest worker programs in that it is entirely the creation of regulation. There is no statutory authorization whatsoever for aliens to work on student visas.

On its own initiative, the Immigration and Naturalization Service started allowing aliens to work on student visas in 1947 through regulation. At that time, work on student visas was limited to that which was required or recommended by the school and the work was supervised by a training agency. By 1986, the INS was permitting some aliens to work after graduation on student visas when the school certified a similar work experience was not available in their home countries. In r99r, the INS started allowing all graduates to remain in the United States to work for up to a year after graduation. In 2002, USCIS allowed aliens to work after graduation without having ties to a school. In 2008, USCIS expanded the duration of OPT to up to 35-months for the very purpose of circumventing the statutory limits on H-1B visas. DHS recently announced that it will extend the duration even longer.

OPT has no labor protections of any kind. Aliens on OPT do not even have to be paid at all. While DHS requires aliens to work in an area related to their major area of study, DHS has no ability to ensure that this happens. Under OPT, over 125,000 foreign work- ers a year are simply turned loose in America with no supervision or restrictions.

Congress has exempted aliens on student visas from Social Security and Medicare tax. Therefore, aliens working on OPT are inherently cheaper to employ than Americans. This arrangement makes OPT ideal for the contract labor (bodyshopping) industry. An employer can hire aliens on OPT then farm them out to other companies. The industry practice is for the employer to take a percentage of the wages paid by the company where the alien actually works. Unlike H-1B, the employer does not have to pay the alien when he is not billing.

If you end the pols ability to so easily manipulate this situation, you end the problem without going all Democrat with banning legals.

No one is suggesting "banning legals." The numbers need to be reduced. We don't need 1.1 million legal immigrants a year. During the period 1920 to 1965 we brought in 195,000 legal immigrants a year, mostly from Europe. The 1965 Immigration Act changed all of that. It changed the demographics of America forever.

And for the record, that means turning off the unlimited spigot as well. Which also addresses the issue without outright locking the doors. And considering half of America is filled with useless eaters, we are going to NEED legal immigration to fill the roles of various liberals that have become too entitled to work.

A colossal pile of BS. The Leftist and RINO meme used to be that we needed all these immigrants to do jobs Americans won't do. Now it has expanded to we need immigrants to do jobs Americans can't do. I gave you the link to the Session's article. I am sure you didn't read it. There is no sense in trying to have a rational discourse with you. You don't need no stinkin' facts. You make general assertions without any substantiation or specific data. You don't know what you are talking about. I am trying to educate you on the issue--something I am deeply involved in including lobbying on the Hill. I am wasting my time. Good luck to you.

You are indeed wasting your time. You committed a massive case of category error and forgot the first rule of reductionism.

You not only misidentified the problem, you won’t even acknowledge the source of it. You in a million years couldn’t do anything but waste your time with your approach.

You in a million years couldn’t do anything but waste your time with your approach.

In your case I agree. You are so dense that I doubt anything could penetrate into your feeble intellect. You are incapable of having a rational discussion of the issue.

There can’t be a rational discussion with your position. None of these companies could do anything if not for the pols and laws allowing it. Change those pols and laws and then companies are powerless to continue exploiting the situation.

If you can fault that reality, lets here how. You explain how it is that pols are not the root cause. You explain how it is that a private company can do anything employment related without either law or politicians being involved. You explain how a flood of legal immigrants is not the work of pols working with companies demanding more h1bs and the surrounding issues.

Go ahead. Show the world my ignorance. Explain how it is that companies giving campaign donation kickbacks does not influence this mess. Explain how it is that unicorns fly out of corporate arses and rewrite and or ignore laws in DC that in your scenario, absolve the root cause, pols, from any involvement.

Go ahead and prove that one thing I said is false. Not because you say so, but with actual fact.

There can’t be a rational discussion with your position. None of these companies could do anything if not for the pols and laws allowing it. Change those pols and laws and then companies are powerless to continue exploiting the situation.

That is the point I have been making. You must change the laws, many of which have been written by special interest groups that are then passed by Congress. But who is going to change the politicians who keep getting re-elected? Where is the outrage of the American worker?

You explain how a flood of legal immigrants is not the work of pols working with companies demanding more h1bs and the surrounding issues.

You don't seem to understand the difference between those who come here as permanent immigrants and those who are part of guest worker programs on temporary work visas. we bring in 1.1 million legal permanent immigrants a year. This is separate from the 640,000 who came here annually on temporary work visas. At any one time there are two million guest workers in this country.

The 1.1 million permanent legal immigrants mostly are based on sponsorship from relatives already here. It is a fixed number that has little to do with our job and skill needs. You are confusing H-1B temporary work visas with permanent legal immigrants.

Go ahead. Show the world my ignorance. Explain how it is that companies giving campaign donation kickbacks does not influence this mess. Explain how it is that unicorns fly out of corporate arses and rewrite and or ignore laws in DC that in your scenario, absolve the root cause, pols, from any involvement.

Of course the corporations influence our immigration policies. I have said so repeatedly. Both political parties have abandoned the American worker in favor of their corporate paymasters. I wrote a piece for the American Thinker a few years ago, entitled Mass Immigration versus the Rights of American Workers." I called it the real civil rights issue of our time.

And every point you make goes back to the pols and laws as the root cause of the dysfunction. Thus, to fix the dysfunction, you address the root cause, not the symptom.
Which was my point in the first place.

The root cause is the uninformed, apathetic voter.