Posted on 05/28/2015 2:19:32 PM PDT by nickcarraway
ROTFLOLOLOL
You have faith in the system of prosecutors who work in tandem with law enforcement, that these representatives of the state are four-square noble and well-meaning, honest and constitutionally stable and sound.
I do not.
Let's not argue, please.
Isn't execution premeditated murder?
Back in the ‘70s, the death penalty was struck down so those on death row got their sentences commuted to life. Thing is life is 45 years but then subtract good time and shorter time due to over crowding and all the other hooey and you have monsters being set free to roam the streets. It was a matter of hours and days before they were raping and murdering and states were scrambling to reinstate the death penalty. How soon we forget.
There’s been a vigorous push fight about the trustworthiness (or lack thereof) of government, in FR discussions about how the recent biker brawl in Waco was treated.
Trustworthiness questions are going to be the game changer for a lot of people. This isn’t our fathers’ government any more.
You put words in my mouth I didn’t say, so please stop doing that. That stuff you typed, that’s your hangup as to why you don’t believe in it. Be clear on that, and own it.
What I believe is this. I believe that when people commit murder, or attempt to commit murder, I believe they deserve to die. It’s as plain as that. And since we have an albeit flawed system of laws still in operation, and are not in a state of living where vigilantism is the only way to get such justice, jury trials comprised of everyday people deciding the evidence and determining a sentence is what we have.
And what we’ve had since the founding of this country and before. And those such people had biblical basis for setting things up this way.
You put words in my mouth I didn’t say, so please stop doing that. That stuff you typed, that’s your hangup as to why you don’t believe in it. Be clear on that, and own it.
What I believe is this. I believe that when people commit murder, or attempt to commit murder, I believe they deserve to die. It’s as plain as that. And since we have an albeit flawed system of laws still in operation, and are not in a state of living where vigilantism is the only way to get such justice, jury trials comprised of everyday people deciding the evidence and determining a sentence is what we have.
And what we’ve had since the founding of this country and before. And those such people had biblical basis for setting things up this way.
True, but both sides disqualify potential jurors for any number of reasons. And eventually both sides run out of how many jurors they can say “no” to as well.
I quite understood you the first time.
A big problem is the vetting for ignorance which gives the court system itself essentially unlimited strikes.
It’s stuff like this, that prevents victims of horrendous crimes, the ability to forgive and be able to move forward in their lives.
When people believe they actually get genuine justice, it makes forgiveness possible. It is really more important for the victim because it lets them move on with their life, such as it is.
Then to see what they thought was justice, get reversed, just shows how much liberal policies just do not give a sh1t about real world ramifications to victims, the ones truly suffering from a crime/act of brutality.
It’s stuff like this, that prevents victims of horrendous crimes, the ability to forgive and be able to move forward in their lives.
When people believe they actually get genuine justice, it makes forgiveness possible. It is really more important for the victim because it lets them move on with their life, such as it is.
Then to see what they thought was justice, get reversed, just shows how much liberal policies just do not give a sh1t about real world ramifications to victims, the ones truly suffering from a crime/act of brutality.
If you went back to a biblical legalism it might actually both disappoint and shock you.
2 witnesses would be needed to convict — and yet they could stone you for sabbath breaking.
No, it’s their failure to believe in God, which is their own sin.
If you did, you wouldn’t have to make up stuff I didn’t say, yet attribute it to me.
It’s not a good quality to have here because people will call you on it.
What I wrote to explain to you exactly what I believe is totally different from the hangup you have about this, but tried to pass off to me and everyone else here as my position.
Don’t pull that liberal strawman crap.
Equating a legal execution as punishment for a premeditated criminal homicide with a criminal homicide is a contradiction in terms, like "homosexual marriage".
Cordially,
Creep
That just isn’t true. The expectation of justice is both temporal and eternal. The desire to see temporal justice meted out is a real thing that can affect a person’s ability to forgive. If it wasn’t important God would not have needed to set up governments and any penalties for anything bad here because “well he will just take care of it later in eternity”.
Yet if the murderer roams free to continue to live life happy without consequence, and continue to murder at will, how can the living victims that survive, or are relatives of the murdered, forgive?
You grossly oversimplfiy and downplay the role that temporal justice plays in the victim’s ability to forgive. God doesn’t downplay it, I don’t kow why you do.
Did I say we have to go back to all biblical legalism? No. You did.
Did I say death penalty for other than what I said? No. You did.
Please don’t do this garbage. I said what I said. Don’t twist it or make more or less of it.
I understood you the first time you said it.
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