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To: DesertRhino

““Capitalism continues under fascism, but not under communism.”

You may not have heard of this one communist nation called “the Peoples Republic of China”. It’s kind of small, you may not have heard of it.
And there’s another single party Communist country called Vietnam.
Both are rather famous for their capitalism and have many
privately owned businesses.

Your example falls apart. There is always this destructive desire to pretend that Nazis are some sort of an anti communist. Its a relic of cold war thinking, but nothing could be further from the truth. It’s destructive because it leads people to mistakenly see Nazis as facing a common enemy in communism.”

My example was from the period in history under discussion.

Obviously since then communism in China and Vietnam has departed from those definitions, and would no longer be classified as communism.

China would be called something other than “communist” as would Russia, the eastern bloc satellites, etc.

They all took on or reverted to greater private ownership, of the factors of production.

Stronger arguments for similarities between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia could probably be made along the lines of “command economy.” BTW

We would then be talking about BMW making airplane engines as ordered by the German federal government, and GM making Volts as suggested and incentivized by the American federal government.


47 posted on 05/10/2015 3:28:06 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker

The point is that “communism” comes in 31 flavors. From deity cults, to classic Leninist versions, and they all have always had very different views on property ownership.
And they all call themselves “socialist”. Just as the national socialists did.

All were pushing for communism and income distribution. I seem to remember how greedy Jews were impoverishing innocent working class Germans. If a jew immigrated or was murdered by the state, their assets were forfeited to the state. Some such as real estate and art were directly distributed to other Germans by various methods. Sure sounds like some class struggle and income redistribution to me. A communist would feel right at home.


51 posted on 05/10/2015 3:40:00 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: truth_seeker; DesertRhino
You may not have heard of this one communist nation called “the Peoples Republic of China”. It’s kind of small, you may not have heard of it. And there’s another single party Communist country called Vietnam. Both are rather famous for their capitalism and have many privately owned businesses.

By any reasonable definition of "Communism," both neither China nor Vietnam are Communist today in anything but name. The US (to say nothing of western Europe) has more of a welfare state than China does. The private sector fraction of China's GDP is greater than that of many European nations. So unless you're going to argue that all of Western Europe and possibly the US is Communist, that pretty much excludes China.

Otherwise, it seems to me that you're redefining "Communist" to mean "any country with an authoritarian government that I don't like."

84 posted on 05/13/2015 9:08:43 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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