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Catholicism Undervalues Women
NY Times ^ | May 6, 2015 | Frank Bruni

Posted on 05/06/2015 7:47:48 AM PDT by C19fan

Like a Pringles vendor sounding an alarm about obesity, Pope Francis fashioned himself a feminist last week.

You are not reading The Onion.

It was an epic mismatch of messenger and message, and I say that as someone who is thankful for this pope, admires him greatly and believes that a change of tone even without a change in teaching has meaning and warrants celebration.

But a change of tone in defiance of fact should be flagged (and flogged) as such. And neither Pope Francis nor any other top official in the bastion of male entitlement known as the Vatican can credibly assert concern about parity between the sexes. Their own kitchen is much too messy for them to call out the ketchup smudges in anybody else’s.

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Frank Bruni on a war path to force fundamental theological changes on Christianity. He's the guy who wrote Christians need to change their theology on sexuality to accommodate gays. If Bruni wants a church with women priests and open to gay marriage then join the Episcopal Church. They have plenty of space in their churches for you.
1 posted on 05/06/2015 7:47:48 AM PDT by C19fan
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NYT wants us to believe that killing babies shows the way they “value women”....


2 posted on 05/06/2015 7:50:36 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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Forget about muslims who stone their women to death, rape non-muslim girls and women and behead Christians.

Look over here at these horrible Catholics who don’t want women killing babies in the womb!

/s


3 posted on 05/06/2015 7:53:50 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Oh, yeah. A voluntary internal aWe may be paranoid but that doesn't mean they aren't really after us)
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maybe they should become Muslim.


4 posted on 05/06/2015 7:54:14 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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As a follow up, “Islam Demeans Women” will be the headline of an article soon to not appear in the NY Times.


5 posted on 05/06/2015 7:55:03 AM PDT by Right Brother
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But doesn’t it say something that he hasn’t joined the Episcopal Church when he could have?


6 posted on 05/06/2015 7:56:42 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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Previous to this new incarnation of Frank he was doing restaurant reviews for the NYT bird cage liner.

Frank is a journalistic grifte, a**kisser extraordinaire and the New York Magazine has stated the same. Frank has new digs- it’s a onebedroom with garden access.


7 posted on 05/06/2015 7:58:35 AM PDT by thesligoduffyflynns (Shrimp Egg Foo Young- A tasty dish! gravy on the side please)
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Or how about we discuss China, whose rampant abortion has created massive gender disparities? Or how about how abortion depopulates Russia? Nope crickets chirping at NYT.


8 posted on 05/06/2015 7:58:53 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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I am a woman.
I am a Catholic.
I would never accept a female priest, that's what the Episcopalian church is for.
9 posted on 05/06/2015 8:05:00 AM PDT by blu (If you don't read the story at the link, don't comment. Your ignorance will be on display-except Laz)
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Bruni. Homosexual. Broken brain.

That's all we need to know.

10 posted on 05/06/2015 8:06:48 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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But if your pope said that you should, wouldn’t that mean you were defying your own religion?


11 posted on 05/06/2015 8:36:01 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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But if your pope said that you should....

Not gonna happen.

Specious argument is specious.

12 posted on 05/06/2015 8:41:05 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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I think Catholicism values women a great deal... as baby-makers. They are very valuable... as baby-makers. Not as much else.


13 posted on 05/06/2015 8:43:38 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Last Dakotan

It’s what’s known as a hypothetical inquiry.


14 posted on 05/06/2015 8:45:39 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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And the Duggar cult? They are not Catholic.

Our diocese has many large families; it’s nothing to see multiple two pew families at each Mass. The parents are so happy and the children so well behaved. I’ve never seen a large family mom show the slightest hint of regret for her role as mother to her children.


15 posted on 05/06/2015 8:48:59 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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Catholicism values women a great deal... as baby-makers. They are very valuable... as baby-makers. Not as much else.

St. Catherine of Siena, Doctor of the Church, laughs indulgently and with affection at your childish misconception of . . . the history of the world.

16 posted on 05/06/2015 8:51:38 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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What a stupid thing to say.


17 posted on 05/06/2015 8:54:50 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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“As a follow up, “Islam Demeans Women” will be the headline of an article soon to not appear in the NY Times.”

The Truth of the matter is that ALL CHURCHES demean women to one degree or another. Belief in God, a good idea. Believing in a CHURCH, not so much. They are ALL in the GOD BUSINESS. They are ALL about money and power. If you have either ( or both), you can pretty much do as you please and YOUR CHURCH will look the other way. But God doesn’t!


18 posted on 05/06/2015 9:05:26 AM PDT by vette6387
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Let me as a non-Catholic, but a rational American comment on the abject stupidity of the Times' writer.

Modern American Leftists of all varieties undervalue women. The value of a woman, in general, starts with her functionality in terms of the natural order of things. The value of the individual woman may be defined in various ways, some quite subtle; but the primary should still be in relation to the natural female functionality--how good a mother; how good a nurturer of the young; how ideal a mate & home maker. Anyone who understands sexuality--the division of species into male and female, must appreciate how truly the sexes complement each other; how truly the species can only be complete in that complementary functionality.

Anyone who puts the more out-in-the world, material traits ahead of those which go to the physical, social & psychological health of the individuals in the next generation, has very, very skewed values.

Frank Bruni is apparently an intellectual joke. I would love to debate the "dysron" on television. No, he would not stand up well, and I would have to baby him a bit, rather than appear a bully; but in his very intellectual ineptitude, he would be a useful foil to wake up a few of those brainwashed onto the same bent. At the end his disrespect for femininity would be obvious.

19 posted on 05/06/2015 9:05:42 AM PDT by Ohioan
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Which is why the woman who gave birth to our Savior is so prominently featured in every Catholic Church you enter.

What a maroon this guy is.


20 posted on 05/06/2015 9:52:56 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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