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52% of Dutch euthanasia doctors say they would kill patient with dementia
LifeSiteNews ^ | 4/28/15 | Jeanne Smits

Posted on 04/29/2015 8:44:17 AM PDT by wagglebee

April 28, 2015 (LifeSiteNews.com) -- More than half of all Dutch physicians specialized in euthanasia would consider approving euthanasia for a demented patient, according to a survey carried out last year and made public last week at an academic symposium held at the VUmc Free University in Amsterdam.

“SCEN” doctors – as they are known – form the Support Consultation Euthanasia Network Netherlands whose members can be called upon by family doctors who face a euthanasia request and who need help with the procedure, specialized and independent advice as to whether their patient should “benefit” according to the requirements for “careful” euthanasia, or a second opinion as prescribed by the Dutch euthanasia law.

547 physicians – 82 percent of all SCEN doctors – took part in the survey, making it a very accurate representation of the present state of mind of those who play a leading role in the practice of euthanasia in the Netherlands. They are often called in when a family doctor is unsure whether acceding to a euthanasia request complies with the “requirements of careful practice.” Compliance with the “strict” criteria of the law is assessed retrospectively, once the act has been performed and declared: should it not be judged “careful,” the family doctor would then face prosecution. A SCEN doctor’s opinion is no guarantee, but it is extremely rare for the Regional Euthanasia Control Commissions to disavow it.

In the survey, 4 percent of the SCEN doctors said they had personally approved euthanasia for a person who was unable to express his or her personal will because of advanced dementia.

Considering the first such case registered – and approved – by a Regional Euthanasia Control Commission took place only four years ago, in 2011, this is no small number: it means 22 SCEN doctors have already approved euthanasia in that context even though the actual amount of acts performed would probably be lower.

Even more worryingly, 52 percent of the doctors said they could imagine personally approving euthanasia in the case of a demented person incapable of expressing his or her will, should the patient have requested it through advance directives or a “living will.”

This growing preparedness to consider lawful the deliberate killing of a dependent and defenseless person is something of a novelty in the Netherlands. Most doctors remain squeamish about euthanasia for the mentally incompetent and refuse to act upon advance directives drawn up when the patient was still well enough to do so.

This is a sticking point between family doctors and the Dutch euthanasia lobby, which argues that the euthanasia law provides for such cases. The euthanasia lobby is in fact right: the letter of the 2001 law clearly states that advanced directives can justify euthanasia. But on the other hand it is the family doctor who makes the final decision. A very large majority of practicing doctors refuse to act on the provision. It is even this fact that has motivated a growing tendency to euthanize patients with incipient dementia, so as to avoid refusing their request once they would become incapable of expressing their death wish.

But overall resistance against euthanasia on mentally incompetent patients is apparently dwindling.

Not surprisingly, 49 percent of the SCEN doctors who participated in the survey said they consider that the limits of what is considered “acceptable” and compliant with the law have broadened since they entered the network – on average since 8 years; some since the law came into effect. This is proof positive of the “slippery slope” syndrome.

The Dutch euthanasia law’s broadening scope is a sign that the Control Commissions are not controlling much: cases where they judge a euthanasia act “not careful” are extremely rare. The present survey shows that the SCEN network is also playing a role.

Eleven percent of the surveyed SCEN doctors said they had already approved euthanasia for patients who were simply “tired of living,” who had no severe or terminal illness causing “unbearable suffering.” Thirty-two percent are prepared to consider doing so in the future, even though the law does not provide for such cases.

Seventy-five percent of the SCEN doctors consider it acceptable to approve euthanasia for a person refusing all treatment. A small majority would consider approving the killing of a person incapable of communicating, provided there was a living will, but also – even more alarmingly – on the basis of information afforded by third persons.

The survey showed that 70 percent of SCEN doctors have occasionally given advice for treatment in order to relieve a patient’s suffering; 62 percent suggested one time or another that palliative care would be more relevant than euthanasia. The professional journal Medisch Contact considered this to go beyond their scope: offering genuine help would encroach on palliative care doctors’ responsibility and go against their own “independence.”

The survey’s authors say that were “satisfied” to find that the personal experience and beliefs of SCEN doctors does not “interfere” with their judgment as regards the compliance of a euthanasia case with the law: “Seen in the light of the quest for standardization of judgment-forming this is a positive result,” they conclude.


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KEYWORDS: deathcare; deathpanels; dementia; elderly; euthanasia; moralabsolutes; netherlands; obamacarefuture; palinwasright; prolife
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They are often called in when a family doctor is unsure whether acceding to a euthanasia request complies with the “requirements of careful practice.” Compliance with the “strict” criteria of the law is assessed retrospectively, once the act has been performed and declared: should it not be judged “careful,” the family doctor would then face prosecution. A SCEN doctor’s opinion is no guarantee, but it is extremely rare for the Regional Euthanasia Control Commissions to disavow it.

I'm surprised they don't just call it Aktion T4.

1 posted on 04/29/2015 8:44:17 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 04/29/2015 8:44:53 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 04/29/2015 8:46:12 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 04/29/2015 8:46:38 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I have an elderly uncle suffering from dementia. Some days he is totally out of it. Other days, he is totally with it. Most days, it is somewhere in between.

It isn't a doctor's decision to make, especially when he is a representative of the state.

5 posted on 04/29/2015 8:48:01 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: wagglebee

They opening a new Dr. Mengele’s Memorial Life unworthy of Life Dementia Clinic?

Nazi scum.


6 posted on 04/29/2015 8:50:08 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: wagglebee

Id say that group of dics uhh docs would make a nice offering to the euthanasia mania gripping many today.


7 posted on 04/29/2015 8:50:12 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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” I have an elderly uncle suffering from dementia. Some days he is totally out of it. Other days, he is totally with it. Most days, it is somewhere in between.

It isn’t a doctor’s decision to make,”

I guess complete lucidity only 1/3rd of the time isn’t good enough for these butchers.


8 posted on 04/29/2015 8:51:14 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: Vigilanteman

I took care of a friend who also suffered episodic dementia and most of the time she was totally fine and coherent.

It isn’t a perogative or decision for a doctor to make.


9 posted on 04/29/2015 8:51:45 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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Keep this in perspective. To even things up, 52% of Dutch Doctors with dementia could also be terminated with extreme prejudice.

Form a FReepanel immediately.

10 posted on 04/29/2015 8:53:33 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Hi! We're having a constitutional crisis. Come on over!)
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Some days he is totally out of it. Other days, he is totally with it.

When he's with it, does he know that sometimes he's out of it?

11 posted on 04/29/2015 8:53:45 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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Patient name: Ann Frank
Patient age: 86
Diagnosis: Dementia

Dutch physician response: Her again?? Send her down the hall. I don’t want to see her again.


12 posted on 04/29/2015 8:53:59 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Victim" -- some people eagerly take on the label because of the many advantages that come with it.)
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Snap the olde geezer out of it in time for Election Day, Steve!


13 posted on 04/29/2015 8:54:27 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Hi! We're having a constitutional crisis. Come on over!)
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To: Poison Pill

Yes, and he’s apologetic for those episodes.


14 posted on 04/29/2015 8:55:24 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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I’m perfectly willing to round up and execute 52% of Dutch doctors.


15 posted on 04/29/2015 8:56:45 AM PDT by MeganC (You can ignore reality, but reality won't ignore you.)
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To: wagglebee

The US Senate is deeply troubled by this report:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_Senators_by_age


16 posted on 04/29/2015 8:58:24 AM PDT by LeonardFMason (LanceyHoward would AGREE)
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To: wagglebee

Sick and sad.

Both of my parents have Alzheimer’s. My dad, before, would have clinically said he would prefer to be dead rather than live without much speech, incontinent, and unable to make his body do things like sit down or stand up. He was a doctor and businessman, very competent and smart. He would have told me that if he was that far gone, game over, let’s blow this joint.

Yet the person he has become enjoys things every day. He is like a toddler. He finds things to play with. He lines up objects. He hides things in his pockets. He wraps things in napkins or newspapers. He makes beds. He waters plants. Even fake ones. He pets his stuffed dogs and talks nonsense to them, sweetly, as though they were alive. He likes it when you grab his hands and dance with him. If you play 50s music he will smile and clap. He loves to laugh. He smiles at people when on his walks.

Taking care of him is really hard. But he is a live, good person who does have happiness of some kind every single day.

It pains me to think that the Dutch feel that because he isn’t the old him any more, he should be killed. What next, a soldier at 25 who comes home brain damaged should be killed? How much damage can you have and still be allowed to live?

Would they kill my Mom, too, who doesn’t have awareness that there is anything wrong with her, and speaks fluently enough to fool anyone, though she doesn’t remember two minutes ago, and mixes up even her oldest memories? She is wholly incompetent, but doesn’t know she is. Are they going to tell her she is deprived of her right to life?

This is all so wrong.


17 posted on 04/29/2015 8:58:26 AM PDT by Yaelle ("You're gonna fly away, Glad you're going my way...")
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To: wagglebee

Nazi doctors did the exact same thing.


18 posted on 04/29/2015 8:59:41 AM PDT by allendale
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nearly that high a percentage of American Voters were willing to let Obama try to ......kill us with dementia...


19 posted on 04/29/2015 8:59:47 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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The only way to put a stop to ever more murderous euthanasia, is for the murderers to “have some skin in the game.”

That is, for someone to start killing the murderers.

The police would of course assume that it is some individual unhappy that the murderer decided to murder one of their family members. So optimally, there would be no connection between the murderer killer and any of his victims’ families.

But the object of the exercise is not revenge, but to convince others carrying out euthanasia that it is the purpose of medical personnel to heal the sick, not to murder them.

While it is not an exact analogue, every time someone would kill an abortionist in the US, several other abortionists would quit. And while the anti-abortion movement condemned these actions, they still worked very effectively. So one person saved the lives of thousands of babies.


20 posted on 04/29/2015 9:03:26 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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