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U.S. AND RED ARMIES JOIN, SPLIT GERMANY; 3D ARMY IN AUSTRIA; RUSSIANS IN POTSDAM (4/28/45)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 4/28/45 | Drew Middleton, Harold Denny, Bertram D. Hulen, C.L. Sulzberger, Virginia Lee Warren, Milton Bracker

Posted on 04/28/2015 4:22:08 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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To: Homer_J_Simpson

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/28/newsid_3564000/3564529.stm

BBC

According to the Times correspondent in Milan, the corpses of Mussolini, Petacci and 12 Fascists are on display in Piazzale Loreto “with ghastly promiscuity in the open square under the same fence against which one year ago 15 partisans had been shot by their own countrymen”.

One woman fired five shots into Mussolini’s body, according to Milan Radio, and shouted: “Five shots for my five assassinated sons!”

Other passers-by spat on the bodies.

“Most British people are shocked at Mussolini’s end not knowing the full history of Piazzale Loreto.”


21 posted on 04/28/2015 7:55:55 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Constitution's preamble, which is its statement of purpose, is the supreme law of the land.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; henkster

[April 28, 1945], HQ Twelfth Army Group situation map.

http://www.loc.gov/resource/g5701s.ict21328/


22 posted on 04/28/2015 7:59:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Constitution's preamble, which is its statement of purpose, is the supreme law of the land.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Vile Communist thugs.

Machine gunning his mistress was totally barbaric.


23 posted on 04/28/2015 8:17:16 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

I didn’t see anywhere that she was machine gunned. Sounds like she was shot while trying to use her body to protect him.


24 posted on 04/28/2015 8:29:55 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Constitution's preamble, which is its statement of purpose, is the supreme law of the land.)
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To: EternalVigilance

To me another example of Communist brutality.

Not unlike the Cheka firing squad herding the Russian royal family in the basement and slaughtering everyone including the Empress, small children, and the czar’s four daughters along with some servants.


25 posted on 04/28/2015 8:34:17 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: EternalVigilance

Interesting situation for the 69th Infantry Division.

And those German units identified a little farther north aren’t really there. The 12th Army under Wenck is trying to fight through to the remains of 9th Army fighting west out of the Beeskow Pocket.


26 posted on 04/28/2015 11:06:25 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: EternalVigilance

Way back when I was deputy prosecutor, the elected prosecutor’s secretary told me she had a photo she thought I might be interested in. She knew I was a history buff. It was a photo of Mussolina and Petacci, either before they’d been strung up or after they’d been cut down.

Her aunt lived in Milan during the war, and took the photograph.


27 posted on 04/28/2015 11:16:54 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Mr. Jeeves; Homer_J_Simpson

I don’t think the smiles were forced at the time. The story of Leo Kasinsky partying with the Russians was probably the typical experience for the enlisted men. The officers were no doubt a bit more stern to try to maintain discipline, but they had their toasts, too. But you are correct that the party was over quickly.

And I liked Mr. Kasinsky’s comment “they don’t even drink like that in Brooklyn.” As someone whose best college friend married into the Orthodox Church, I advise you to not try to keep up with the Eastern Europeans when they set their minds to drinking. They are trained professionals.


28 posted on 04/28/2015 11:23:53 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: henkster

Sic semper tyrannis.

I would have preferred a real, fair trial and a hanging.

But I also understand why it turned out the way it did.

The emotions were overwhelming for those people, as best exemplified by the mother of five dead sons who pumped five rounds into the already-dead tyrant.


29 posted on 04/28/2015 11:43:27 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Constitution's preamble, which is its statement of purpose, is the supreme law of the land.)
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To: EternalVigilance

It was an appropriate ending for Mussolini. He was more tragi-comic “Sawdust Ceasar,” a parody of himself, than he was evil. The extreme excesses of the Nazi regime were not duplicated by the Italian fascists. So it was fitting that he was not tried, because his trial would have been more farce than justice.

So I’m fine with shooting and pissing on him. For the ruin he brought upon his people, that was good enough. What happened to him was exactly what Churchill and Stalin had in mind for the Nazi leadership. In the end, for the enormity of their crimes, a fair trial was necessary before the hangings.


30 posted on 04/28/2015 12:55:56 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

“I read somewhere (Solzhenitsyn?) that Stalin later sent every one of those photographed Soviet soldiers to the gulag for having been “tainted” by American influence by virtue of simply having met and shaken hands with them.”

The guy in the middle in the back ended up in America in the 1950s where he ran successful businesses in Milwaukee as per a psoting about 5 days ago.


31 posted on 04/28/2015 1:46:38 PM PDT by Steven Scharf
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To: Steven Scharf

See? He was obviously tainted! :-)


32 posted on 04/28/2015 2:33:26 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Constitution's preamble, which is its statement of purpose, is the supreme law of the land.)
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To: chajin
"Democracy would be a farce without a strong and virile Congress. For years Congress has steadily been losing coequality with the Executive Branch." - Rep. Al Gore, Sr. (D-TN), April 27, 1945.

That caught my eye as well. Vast powers swirled into the executive branch during national emergencies. I admire the work of our Framers, yet I wish they had made provision for dictators.

Dictators Necessary to Keep Free Republics.

33 posted on 04/28/2015 3:06:58 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To shun Article V is to embrace tyranny.)
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To: Jacquerie

God is a dictator.


34 posted on 04/28/2015 4:01:49 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; henkster
The last column of Ernie Pyle's to appear in print, ironically his memories of another deceased war correspondent.

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Fred Painton: A Tribute

IU Archives
http://mediaschool.indiana.edu/erniepyle/wp-content/uploads/sites/19/2015/01/painton.mp3
 

OKINAWA, April 28, 1945 – This is a column about Fred Painton, the war correspondent who dropped dead on Guam a short time ago.

Fred wrote war articles for Reader’s Digest and many other magazines. He even gambled his future once writing a piece for the Saturday Evening Post about me.

Fred was one of the little group of real old-timers in the European war. He was past forty-nine and an overseas veteran of the last war. His son is grown and in the Army. Fred had seen a great deal of war for a man his age.

He was just about to start back to America when he died. He had grown pretty weary of war. He was anxious to get home to have some time with his family.

But I’m sure he had no inkling of death, for he told me in Guam of his postwar plans to take his family and start on an ideal and easy life of six months in Europe, six in America. He had reached the point where life was nice.

*

Fred Painton was one of the modest people; I mean real down-deep modest. He had no side whatever, no ax to grind, no coy ambition.

He loved to talk and his words bore the authority of sound common sense. He had no intellectualisms. His philosophy was the practical kind. He was too old and experienced and too wise in the ways of human nature to belittle his fellow man for the failures that go with trying hard.

Fred didn’t pretend to literary genius but he did pride himself on a facility for production. He could get a thousand dollars apiece for his articles and he wrote a score of them a year. And his pieces, like himself, were always honest. I’ve known him to decline to do an assignment when he felt the subject prohibited his doing it with complete honesty.

Fred’s balding head and crooked nose, his loud and friendly nasal voice, his British Army trousers and short leggings were familiar in every campaign in Europe.

He took rough life as it came and complained about nothing, except for an occasional bout with the censors. And even there he made no enemies for he was always sincere.

There were a lot of people Fred didn’t like, and being no introvert everybody within earshot knew whom he didn’t like and why. And I have never known him to dislike anyone who wasn’t a phony.

*

Fred and I have traveled through lots of war together. We did those bitter cold days, early in Tunisia, and we were the last stragglers out of Sicily.

We both came home for short furloughs after Sicily. The Army provided me with a powerful Number Two air priority, while Fred had only the routine Number Three.

We left the airport at Algiers within four hours of each other on the same morning. I promised Fred I would call his wife and tell her he would be home within a week.

When I got to New York I called the Painton home at Westport, Connecticut. Fred answered the phone himself. He had beat me home by three days on his measly little priority! He never got over kidding me about that.

*

As the war years rolled by we have become so indoctrinated into sudden and artificially imposed death that natural death in a combat zone seems incongruous, and almost as though the one who died had been cheated.

Fred had been through the mill. His ship was torpedoed out from under him in the Mediterranean. Anti-aircraft fire killed a man beside him in a plane over Morocco.

He had gone on many invasions. He was in Cassino. He was ashore at Iwo Jima. He was certainly living on borrowed time. To many it seems unfair for him to die prosaically. And yet . . .

The wear and the weariness of war is cumulative. To many a man in the line today fear is not so much of death itself, but fear of the terror and anguish and utter horror that precedes death in battle.

I have no idea how Fred Painton would have liked to die. But somehow I’m glad he didn’t have to go through the unnatural terror of dying on the battlefield. For he was one of my dear friends and I know that he, like myself, had come to feel that terror.

Ernie Pyle
Source: Ernie's War: The Best of Ernie Pyle's World War II Dispatches, edited by David Nichols, pp. 416-18. Pictures courtesy of The Lilly Library, Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana

35 posted on 04/28/2015 4:32:43 PM PDT by untenured
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To: OKSooner

The ship never went on a combat patrol, and was scuttled a few days later there at Travemünde (May 3).

Interestingly enough, Bungards had only assumed command the previous day.


36 posted on 04/28/2015 8:04:30 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: untenured

RIP Fred, and Ernie.

We sure could use men like that again in America.


37 posted on 04/28/2015 8:25:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Two days later, Hitler was also dead.

Great. I've been reading this book for a couple of years now and anticipating how it was going to end. You just ruined it.
38 posted on 04/30/2015 12:11:09 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer

"They lose me after the bunker scene."

39 posted on 04/30/2015 12:22:27 AM PDT by dfwgator
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