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Ted Cruz submits constitutional amendment to protect marriage
American Thinker ^ | 04/25/2015 | NewsMachete

Posted on 04/25/2015 11:11:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: dirtboy

I never said we needed more foreign workers.

Provide a quote or shut it


61 posted on 04/25/2015 1:37:27 PM PDT by stanne
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To: dirtboy

The H1, Korean, ChiCom, and soon, the unlimited TPP visas will mean the end of American employment that is not niche-based.

We lost R and D investment to the ChiComs a couple of years (or so) back.

And now, with Common Core, we’re going to lose even more.

Had I young children, I’d move to someplace like Singapore or Japan.


62 posted on 04/25/2015 1:41:07 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: PapaNew

Do you think NJ, NY, Chicago and other jurisdictions should be able to infringe on the right to bear arms as they see fit? If the first 10 amendments apply only to the federal government they can.

That’s a pretty simple question. I agree it is possible I could be misunderstanding you.

I have read post 38 and if I understand him Bork agrees with me. States can put pretty much whatever gun laws in effect they choose.


63 posted on 04/25/2015 2:08:08 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SeekAndFind

Misleading headline. Cruz is attempting to protect the sovereignty of the states in defining marriage and is, thereby, attempting to protect states’ rights, as per the Constitution.


64 posted on 04/25/2015 2:20:01 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Let's put the ship of state on Cruz Control with Ted Cruz.)
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To: stanne

Sorry, that was a different poster, you jumped into that exchange.


65 posted on 04/25/2015 2:24:22 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

‘To: stanne
Cruz is one of my top two choices, the other being Walker. Doesn’t mean I have to agree with him 100 percent, IMO he happens to be dead wrong here, as was your assertion that we need more foreign tech workers. Given how Walker’s stance on this subject resonates with the middle class, I think Walker is better here.’

I jumped into it?


66 posted on 04/25/2015 2:39:26 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Menthops

Oh he certainly takes stands no doubt. But he never seems to get them passed ever. I think he is quite the grandstander. He will make a wonderful President. Most are great at giving speeches.


67 posted on 04/25/2015 2:54:12 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Walker for President 2016. The only candidate with actual real RESULTS!!!!! The rest...talkers!)
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To: stanne

Legal immigration is what killed America.

The democrats as we know them, would not exist without the immigration law that they passed in 1965 to replace us as voters.


68 posted on 04/25/2015 2:55:01 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: TNMOUTH

Dumb post of the century.

Nobody on here opposes this measure but not one intelligent person believes it will pass anytime.


69 posted on 04/25/2015 2:56:26 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Walker for President 2016. The only candidate with actual real RESULTS!!!!! The rest...talkers!)
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To: ansel12

No idea what you are talking about

Is it the same legislation Cruz promoted in 2011 that everyone her is do hung up on?


70 posted on 04/25/2015 2:59:28 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

How can you not understand post 68?

Legal immigration destroyed America and it is why the democrats changed the immigration law in 1965, they knew that Americans were largely anti-democrat, and they wanted foreigners to replace us as voters.

John F. Kennedy had a dream to replace the American people with foreign voters, a different kind of voter, the importation of an endless supply of democrat voters.

“However, if there is one man who can take the most credit for the 1965 act, it is John F. Kennedy. Kennedy seems to have inherited the resentment his father Joseph felt as an outsider in Boston’s WASP aristocracy. He voted against the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952, and supported various refugee acts throughout the 1950s.

In 1958 he wrote a book, A Nation of Immigrants, which attacked the quota system as illogical and without purpose, and the book served as Kennedy’s blueprint for immigration reform after he became president in 1960. In the summer of 1963, Kennedy sent Congress a proposal calling for the elimination of the national origins quota system. He wanted immigrants admitted on the basis of family reunification and needed skills, without regard to national origin.

After his assassination in November, his brother Robert took up the cause of immigration reform, calling it JFK’s legacy. In the forward to a revised edition of A Nation of Immigrants, issued in 1964 to gain support for the new law, he wrote, “I know of no cause which President Kennedy championed more warmly than the improvement of our immigration policies.” Sold as a memorial to JFK, there was very little opposition to what became known as the Immigration Act of 1965.”


71 posted on 04/25/2015 3:06:28 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Sherman Logan

Yes, the first ten amendments are pointed at the feds, not at the states. So, yes, theoretically the states can do what they want but there’s no such thing as a “state” per se, only the majority of the population of that state to decide the laws of that state either through their state representatives or directly through initiatives.

And if you look at history and the “parade of horribles” I listed, you’ll see that the problem is almost never that the majority of the populace of the each state have perpetrated some horror on the state. The states are the ones with the anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage laws and pro-gun rights laws. The problem is almost never the states but the feds unconstitutionally restricting the states.

People need to get real clear about who the bad guys are. Our Founders knew and history speaks very plainly: the feds, not the states, are the greatest threat to our rights and freedoms.


72 posted on 04/25/2015 3:12:00 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: Star Traveler; Jacquerie
Congress has been setting time limits on approving Constitutional Amendments (maximum time), which has been seven years.

If true, are these time limits constitutional? I don't see where the Constitution puts a time limit on ratifying a constitutional amendment, at least not the Article V convention of states amendment process. I suppose if nothing else, Cruz could submit it through the COC process.

73 posted on 04/25/2015 3:19:53 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: stanne

Uh, yeah, you did, you responded to my post 14 which was directed at someone else.


74 posted on 04/25/2015 3:20:35 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: PapaNew

I understand your point, and in general agree with it.

But, yeah, let’s look at history.

By far the greatest infringements on the natural rights of American citizens occurred almost entirely as the result of action by southern states, during the roughly 75 year reign of Jim Crow. Nothing else even comes close. And that took place despite 14A, per your argument, being set up to prevent it from happening.

So, no, I don’t trust states to always do the right thing. I don’t trust anybody to always do the right thing.

I will cheerfully agree that an out of control federal government is a greater problems than a single state going off the rails.


75 posted on 04/25/2015 3:21:17 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Nothing is perfect and the beauty of the local or state issue is you don’t have to live in the South or a state you don’t like. The feds force EVERYBODY into THEIR perverse mold.

Jim Crow laws in a part of our country cannot compare to the nation-wide horrific bloodbath of 70-some million slaughtered unborn infants or the spiritual decline through banning prayer and the Bible in schools, among other things, all brought on by the feds. The feds are by far the greatest threat to our lives, liberties, and well being.


76 posted on 04/25/2015 3:33:44 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: PapaNew

I oppose abortion, and if it will make you happy I’ll agree it’s a greater violation of natural rights than Jim Crow.

Which makes JC second and leaves the two of them infinitely far above anything else.


77 posted on 04/25/2015 3:38:52 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Under the states’ rule you don’t have to live in the South, so you are free to move to a state more to your liking.

Under the feds, you are not free unless you move to another country which probably isn’t free either.


78 posted on 04/25/2015 3:53:49 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: PapaNew; Jacquerie

When you ask if it’s Constitutional ... all I can say is that it has been done. It hasn’t been done consistently, but it just started recently.

I believe it started with the 18th Amendment ...

Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission here to the States by the Congress.

20th Amendment

Section 6. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission.

21st Amendment

Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.

22nd Amendment

Section 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress.

The 19th, 23rd, 24th, 25th, and 26th did not have it. The 27th did not have it, as it was first proposed in 1791 ... :-) ...

There could be a possible argument that it should not have a time limit, as there are proponents of the Equal Rights Amendment who think there should be no time limitation on it approval.

If the issue gets turned into some kind of Constitutional argument that there should be no time limit, then you can be assured that the proponents of the ERA will be the first ones to push it through ... :-) ...

Here’s something on the ERA ...

The Equal Rights Amendment
Unfinished Business for the Constitution
http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/strategy.htm

As it is with discussions of Constitutional issues ... it all comes down, in the end, to how it works out in real life, in other words, “where the rubber meets the road” ... :-) ...

And for that, I can’t tell you because I can’t predict the future.


79 posted on 04/25/2015 3:55:58 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: stanne
Legal immigration is NOT illegal. And illegal immigration is NOT legal. So illegal legal immigration is not illegal, it is only so in the illogical minds of the Cruz hating walker bots here

Abortion is legal due to Roe v. Wade. Doesn't make it right.

Bringing in more H-1B visa holders serves one purpose and one purpose only - to depress American wages. Cruz is wrong to promote that. Believing such is not hatred of Cruz - anyone who plays the 'hate' tag is being intellectually bankrupt. I don't hate Cruz, I would still gladly support him. But he is wrong on this.

80 posted on 04/25/2015 4:02:21 PM PDT by dirtboy
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