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A Way Out for Christian Wedding Businesses?
Townhall.com ^ | April 17, 2015 | Brent Bozell

Posted on 04/17/2015 10:14:44 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kenny

The left will claim that they did not consent to being published. That will be the basis for the lawsuit - and in the current climate, I expect they win.

Diminishing the profit of any small business these days means the business is likely at risk.

Essentially, this proposal is denying our side something in order to hurt the other guy. It’s the reverse of the anti-gun crowd screaming about gun control because bad (liberal) people keep invading disarmed target zones.

That’s my opinion, and a selection of my reasons for holding it, at any rate.


21 posted on 04/17/2015 10:44:37 AM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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To: Kaslin

It doesn’t really make any sense.

They are going to provide a service they don’t want to provide and turn all the money they make over to an organization that will try to make it so they don’t have to provide that very service.


22 posted on 04/17/2015 10:47:34 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: xzins

“It’s cute and catchy, but it’s not a real solution. A business should be able to serve who they want, and it’s not the government’s business. Government should butt out. If the business is wacko it’ll go out of business.”

It is a good solution because like everything else liberal, you smack them on the nose, they go back under the porch. Same thing with the boy and girl scouts. They want gay members and gay leaders, that’s cool. Your kids will wear their crucifixes and pray before each meeting.


23 posted on 04/17/2015 10:47:42 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (two if by van, one if by broom)
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To: xzins; stephenjohnbanker
It may not be a real solution, but it's a great beginning.

Far better than the situation we have, it's a smart start.

24 posted on 04/17/2015 10:49:21 AM PDT by Lakeshark (.)
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To: Star Traveler
...they’ll be laughing at all the money that the owner is not getting...

Good point. The "tweak" could simply be that all profits (after material costs, wages, tips, taxes, etc.) go to charity.

25 posted on 04/17/2015 10:49:33 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Kaslin

The good Father is looking thru’ rose-colored glasses if he thinks a business can survive by giving away its income.


26 posted on 04/17/2015 10:50:05 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001 and 9/11/2012: NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Kaslin

Unless we get relief from the court system, which I do not believe will happen, then I think we need a much better solution. We need to separate the civil, legal part of marriage from the Christian ceremony part.

Once separated, flowers, bakers, events can all be billed as Christian church support services. The wedding, like a funeral, baptism is a religious service with no government interact. Support services drop weddings as a service, and provide Christian Church services.

If that doesn’t work, we go back to what we did under the Romans - approach another Christian, make a sign of the fish on their palm (or modern day equivalent) and then do business.


27 posted on 04/17/2015 10:50:57 AM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: jonno

Yeah, that would make more sense ...


28 posted on 04/17/2015 10:51:12 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Kaslin

Tell them your silent partner is a muslim.


29 posted on 04/17/2015 10:54:27 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (WSC: The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end...)
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To: Kaslin

And what happens when the fags call your bluff? And when they accuse you of discrimination because you don’t do all those things on other catering engagements?

Sometimes it’s possible to be too clever for one’s own good. And we shouldn’t have to choose between trickery and loyalty to our beliefs.


30 posted on 04/17/2015 11:03:13 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Kaslin

Good idea.


31 posted on 04/17/2015 11:13:41 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: MortMan

Well how about if they accidentally bake a dry, tasteless cake. if they can pull that off without changing the actual recipe, it would be hard to prove they deliberately flubbed it up. There are ways to deter business.


32 posted on 04/17/2015 11:21:26 AM PDT by Kenny (,)
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To: Kenny

Yes, there are ways to deter business. But consider that a business person morally minded enough to defer participating in such events is unlikely to subvert their best efforts, once they decide to participate.

I don’t know how to achieve it yet - absent an actual constitution-honoring court - but the issue needs to remain the right of people to decline business activities which they view as wrong. By accepting the verdict that the business cannot abstain from participation, we cede the entire issue, and any retaliatory acts (and most accidents that affect the service) will be met with liberal lawfare.


33 posted on 04/17/2015 11:28:14 AM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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To: Kaslin

Bake them a cake they will never forget...

or, take order and be careless during delivery...

be sure to use ingredients suggested by Jesse Jackson


34 posted on 04/17/2015 11:57:50 AM PDT by Lexington Green (Hillary should be in the Big House... not the White House.)
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To: Kaslin

Neat trick. I bet some activist judge would rule that this isn’t allowed.


35 posted on 04/17/2015 12:05:00 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

I have a feeling that taking on the mark of the beast is going to look a lot like this.

You must violate your allegiance to Messiah in order to survive and do business.


36 posted on 04/17/2015 12:12:29 PM PDT by PrairieLady2 (`)
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To: Kaslin
It's great in theory, but the practicality of this approach is limited for many of the reasons mentioned here in previous comments.

Ideally; the constitution should prevail and a private business owner should be allowed to turn down any job for any reason. Unfortunately; we have fallen too far down the slippery slope.

Perhaps another way to do this would be to specify up front and in the contract that you reserve the right to sub-contract the work to another bakery, photographer, florist, etc.

You can accept the business, collect the money, and not have to show up to participate in the ceremony. Not perfect, but it should eliminate any claims of "discrimination" since you are not rejecting the work and there is no law that guarantees one the "right" to have their photos taken by a specific photographer, or their cake made by a specific bakery. The business owner would be serving as a middleman only.

37 posted on 04/17/2015 12:18:35 PM PDT by American Infidel (Instead of vilifying success, try to emulate it)
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To: Kaslin

It’s all about strategerie.


38 posted on 04/17/2015 1:08:45 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Kaslin

As a videographer, I do wedding videos (but actually loathe them)/and am waiting for this situation to come to my studio and I have my perfect “out” which starts with a $100 NONREFUNDABLE DEPOSIT and please make your check out to Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church. Then outlining the terms and conditions of my PRIVATE CONTRACT it states if something like a car breakdown, personal emergency or the like takes place then I am absolved of the job and will refund their 50% deposit for service. But the $100 non refundable doesn’t get returned. I think that would dissuade any fags from darkening my doorway. If they go ahead and book, oh bummer, my car broke down on the way to the ceremony, sorry about your luck.


39 posted on 04/17/2015 1:11:14 PM PDT by Finatic (Sometimes I think it would be nice to just get it on and get it over with. Once and for all.)
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To: MortMan

Here’s your answer;

Back somewhere in my posting history I have posts putting forth this same idea of assigning the proceeds of a homosexual wedding cake to promoting traditional marriage.

I think that the idea may be subject to discrimination laws, because homosexual cakes are singled out. Don’t know, it’s a legal question, and I’m not an attorney.

The easy workaround, however, is to donate a fixed amount from all wedding cakes to those causes.

Here is to kicker; Encourage matching funds from non-business sources, friends, churches, customers for cakes of their choosing.

Business contributes $10 per cake (let’s say), others match it at 10:1, or some amount of their own choosing.

Suddenly, thousands of dollars are raised, the community is involved, and, as nearly as I can determine, no laws are broken.


40 posted on 04/17/2015 1:14:44 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (The Gruber Revelations are proof that God is still smiling on America.)
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