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The American Investor's Stock Holding's at All-time High --Investor Thread May 12, 2015
Weekly Investor's Thread ^ | April 12, 2015 | freeper investors

Posted on 04/12/2015 10:27:18 AM PDT by expat_panama

 

The total privately owned stocks and mutual fund shares adds up to a soaring record total $21,169,400,000 --according to the latest Federal Reserves Flow of Funds Report.  Yeah I see all the hands waving --and the big question that follows has to do with population and inflation. 

We went through this back on an earlier thread when the press was tootin' about how America's private wealth was supposedly at an all time high but only as a total of inflated dollars.  The average American's total holdings in real dollars is still less than it was eight years ago. 

However, that's mainly because holdings in everything but stocks have been doing poorly, and looking at just the per capita real stock/mutual fund holdings we're seeing that the latest average has once again punched though to a new record high.

 

 

[insert collective "huh" here]

 

Somehow this doesn't agree with what we've been hearing.   I mean we just had this FR thread started by  Red in Blue PA titled Over half of Americans have $0 in stocks  and the thread's article was based on a poll commissioned by Bankrate posted April 9, 2015:

Stock market ticker charts

 

Did you miss the stock market rally? You're not alone

 

 

(--and here's an excerpt from the original Bankrate study:)

It's often said that a rising tide lifts all boats, but a rising tide isn't much help if you don't have a boat. In the midst of a six-year market rally, more than half of Americans don't own any stock investments at all, potentially missing out on a big investing opportunity to build retirement savings and overall wealth, according to a new Bankrate Money Pulse survey.

Sitting on the sidelines

Despite the proliferation of investment-based retirement accounts such as 401(k)s, 52 percent of Americans report not owning any stocks or stock-based investments such as mutual funds, according to Bankrate's Money Pulse survey.

That doesn't surprise Robert Stammers, CFA, director of investor education for the CFA Institute.

He says many Americans "see themselves as savers and they worry about capital preservation." Because of that, "they don't take the risk necessary to achieve the returns that they need to fulfill their long-term investment goals."

Opting out of stocks, which have historically been one of the highest-returning types of securities available to individual investors, is likely to have some harsh consequences for Americans over the long term.

"The average person has less than $25,000 saved for retirement," Stammers says. "So people certainly aren't prepared, and that's just making them less prepared."

[snip]

Methodology:

Bankrate's poll was conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International, which obtained the data via telephone interviews with a nationally representative sample of 1,001 adults living in the continental U.S. Telephone interviews were conducted by landline (500) and cellphone (501, including 316 without a landline phone) in English and Spanish from March 19 to 22, 2015.  Statistical results are weighted to correct known demographic discrepancies. The margin of error for the questions ranged from plus or minus 3.7 percentage points to plus or minus 5.3 percentage points.

[snip]

 

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  So what happens is the major news services just ran with it:

Over Half Of Americans Aren't Investing In The Stock Market (Forbes)

Over half of Americans pass on the stock market (usatoday)

Stock Market Is America's Great Wealth Equalizer (investors.com/ibd)

More Than Half of Americans Are Not Investing in the Stock Market (prnewswire)

Survey: 52% of Americans not in stock market (nbcnews)

Over Half of Americans Avoiding Stocks (abcnews)

Report: 52% of Americans Don't Invest in Stock Market ... (Fortune)

Let's face it doom'n'gloom pessimism sells.  The left loves is because it's the basis for all the do-gooder gov't programs they want to fund, and the right loves it in hopes that it will somehow 'prove' what miserable failures all those do-gooder gov't programs have been.  Back here in the real world the rest of us have been busy making our own lives better, we create wealth, and this talk about the fruits of our labor leads into two new areas of thought now. 

One is obviously the wealth-equality debate, and just what this average all time high for stock holdings means in terms of the majority of us who live on Main Street and not on Wall Street.  

We know that while it's for sure the average holdings are up our Bankrate friends are insisting that the masses are broke and that the lion's share of the population still views the stock market as a 'risky scheme'. Maybe, maybe not.  IMHO we still need proof and the burden of said proof is on the bankrate people.  Frankly I'm not impressed so far and I'll be even less impressed when some left-winger follows up with the old globalwarming saw "aw geez, he have to raise taxes 'cuz it might be true!!!"

The other major area of thought we need to go through is consideration of just how significant these stock investments really are.  Or aren't.

The point being that savings isn't what we're living on now and that while stocks may be a fourth of our total wealth today it wasn't that long ago that it was a twelfth. 

America's personal net worth is more than just stocks, there's real estate, our land and homes are not stocks.  Then again, there's also life insurance reserves, pension entitlements, and business equity --those are stocks.    So now we've not gotten to the point now that the value of our businesses is most (54%) of our private assets. 

Personally, my thinking is that a thousand people sitting by their phones ready to chat about the risky scary stock market, does not impress me.  They can't be representative of the same United States that came into its own in the 1800's, prevailed on the world stage in the 1900's, and the current millennium it's ah..

 OK so we're not done with that one just yet..

This is the thread where folks swap ideas on savings and investment --here's a list of popular investing links that freepers have posted here and tomorrow morning we'll go on with our--

Open invitation continues always for idea-input for the thread, this being a joint effort works well.   Keywords: financial, WallStreet, stockmarket, economy.

 



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; financial; stockmarket; wallstreet
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1 posted on 04/12/2015 10:27:18 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Red in Blue PA

thanks!


2 posted on 04/12/2015 10:27:51 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
OH!! MY!! GOD!!
WE ARE DOOOOOMED!!!

oh wait. wrong thread.

3 posted on 04/12/2015 10:31:20 AM PDT by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: 1010RD; A Cyrenian; abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; aposiopetic; Aquamarine; ..

♫♪♫"...said to myself, what a wonderful world..."♫♪♫
 

4 posted on 04/12/2015 10:32:18 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: abb

lol — you beat me to it!


5 posted on 04/12/2015 10:32:55 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Yet thee was an earlier the-glass-is-half-empty post today stating half of Americans had no stocks. (I suspect that half of Americans have never owned stock, regardless of the economy.)


6 posted on 04/12/2015 10:50:35 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: expat_panama

I think you omitted some zeroes from the number.


7 posted on 04/12/2015 11:37:13 AM PDT by pluvmantelo (My hope for America died 11-06-12.)
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To: pluvmantelo

Yes, missing 3 zeros.


8 posted on 04/12/2015 12:34:53 PM PDT by Reynoldo
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you omitted some zeroes

I'm positive I did, I proofed that damn stuff over & over & still miss stuff.  which #'s?  I need to know, tx.

9 posted on 04/12/2015 1:05:37 PM PDT by expat_panama
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Yes, missing 3 zeros.

Ah, tx.  Make that $21,169,400,000,000.  Big deal so I forgot a zero.  What's a zero anyway?  It's nothing!

 

10 posted on 04/12/2015 1:08:58 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

I would appreciate being placed on your Investment and Finance ping list.

Gator113


11 posted on 04/12/2015 1:55:51 PM PDT by Gator113 (Cruz, Lee, and Sessions speak for me.... most anyone else is just noise.)
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To: expat_panama

Maybe some of this is because at one time or another, the average Joe entrusted his disposable income to a broker or advisor who turned out to be more of a great salesman than anything else.

Once burned twice shy.


12 posted on 04/12/2015 2:02:41 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: MichaelCorleone
entrusted his disposable income to a broker or advisor

We often hear praise of certain members of other proffesions, (wow, what a great teacher, or just marvel at that engineering work) but I've never heard anyone say how happy they were with some particular financial advisor.   While we can delegate financial authority, we can never delegate the responsibility and it always comes back to ourselves taking ultimate responsibility.  

For that reason I quit Merrill Lynch 40 years ago and went for 'no-advice' brokers ever since.   It's almost always not that complicated, and somehow those few complicated choices ended up being simplified really fast..

13 posted on 04/12/2015 2:32:21 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Gator113

done!


14 posted on 04/12/2015 2:34:40 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
Geez it's May already. I am suppose to be somewhere.....;-)
15 posted on 04/12/2015 3:02:49 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

This is great. It will give us a brief glimpse into the future.


16 posted on 04/12/2015 3:22:06 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (It's a shame nobama truly doesn't care about any of this. Our country, our future, he doesn't care)
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To: expat_panama

An interesting read.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-12/saudi-arabia-s-plan-to-extend-the-age-of-oil

Saudi Arabia’s Plan to Extend the Age of Oil

The biggest exporter has let prices plummet—delaying the day when climate concerns, efficiency, and fuel switching break the world’s dependence on crude.

by Peter Waldman
5:00 PM CDT
April 12, 2015


17 posted on 04/12/2015 3:53:18 PM PDT by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: mad_as_he$$
it's May already.

Dang, you mean it's not really May yet?  Nobody tells me anything around here...

18 posted on 04/12/2015 4:29:34 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: abb; mad_as_he$$
...Bloomberg Markets reports in its May 2015 issue... 

Wait a sec, I know it's April, I was just pulling a "Bloomberg" to fit in the advance work on the next issue here...

19 posted on 04/12/2015 4:34:23 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Is there ever a benefit to meeting with a financial advisor for things like how much do we need to save for retirement, or do we need long-term care insurance, or for tax strategies, etc?

Just wondering what people think.


20 posted on 04/12/2015 6:18:06 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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