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Congress Must Step Up and Reform Civil Asset Forfeiture Laws: IRS Agents are acting like thugs.
Townhall ^ | 04/09/2015 | Jason Pye

Posted on 04/09/2015 8:24:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 04/09/2015 8:24:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“Atlas Shrugged” where Dr. Ferris explains: “Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed? ...We want them broken... We’re after power and we mean it... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt.”


2 posted on 04/09/2015 8:25:58 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Who needs a vice-admiralty court in America’s New Age?


3 posted on 04/09/2015 8:26:03 AM PDT by kiryandil (Egging the battleship USS Sarah Palin from their little Progressive rowboats...)
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RE:”After a long and difficult legal fight, the IRS agreed to give Clyde the money it wrongfully took from him – well, mostly. Though he did absolutely nothing wrong, other than unwittingly show up on the federal government’s radar, Clyde forfeited $50,000 to the IRS, which he describes as “a tactical retreat.” He paid another $100,000 in legal fees. “

Or at least make the government agency responsible for paying the legal fees if they cant prove that something illegal was done.

4 posted on 04/09/2015 8:31:46 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: SeekAndFind
There should be no asset forfeitures without a criminal conviction first, the court should decide what and how much, if anything, should be taken.
Not the IRS or any other agency, not local cops.

5 posted on 04/09/2015 8:36:16 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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The $10,000 reporting requirement was intended to discover illegal activity.

Now depositing less than $10,000 appears to be the only “crime” necessary for forfeiture.


6 posted on 04/09/2015 8:37:27 AM PDT by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: SeekAndFind
"IRS Agents are acting like thugs."

I doubt that many Americans react to this statement as if it was shocking or new. The IRS needs to be scaled way back. It would be worth shifting from an income tax to a (revenue neutral) sales tax, just to reduce the corruption on one side and abuse on the other side of our current tax structure.

7 posted on 04/09/2015 8:37:29 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The concept of “Civil Asset Forfeiture” has no place in a free society.

(Public hangings do in some circumstances.)

I picture Stalin Mao and Hitler hanging out together in hell kicking themselves for not having come up with ideas like civil asset forfeiture and “structuring”.


8 posted on 04/09/2015 8:47:04 AM PDT by Junk Silver
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Fifth Amendment Integrity Restoration (FAIR) Act - I like it.


9 posted on 04/09/2015 8:48:14 AM PDT by Girlene
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10 posted on 04/09/2015 8:55:51 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Become a monthly donor and END FREEPATHONS!)
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And it should be illegal for any confiscated funds to ever filter their way back to the departments that seized them. When that happens, the government agents become mercenaries and bounty hunters.


11 posted on 04/09/2015 8:57:55 AM PDT by Boogieman
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Agreed. And no department should be making the laws that they enforce.

12 posted on 04/09/2015 9:14:21 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Junk Silver
The concept of “Civil Asset Forfeiture” has no place in a free society.

The only way to control this illegal activity is to do away with he IRS. Still all forfeiture must be declared illegal without the court issuing the attachment of anything including funds.

13 posted on 04/09/2015 9:16:39 AM PDT by Logical me
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They should have to prove their case in tax court.


14 posted on 04/09/2015 9:16:42 AM PDT by refermech
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They should be restricted to serving papers, no other form of physical enforcement.

15 posted on 04/09/2015 9:29:09 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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“The latest policy change related to structuring is grounded in common sense. It requires that criminal charges be filed before the IRS seizes bank accounts whose owners are suspected of structuring their deposits.”

Yeh now they have switched to going after cash withdrawals. If you can’t get it one way get it another.


16 posted on 04/09/2015 9:41:11 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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congress should cease to fund this mafia known as the irs


17 posted on 04/09/2015 10:50:32 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ( Obammy is a lie, a mooselimb and pond scum.)
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To: Don Corleone

“The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals.”.........

If that be the case, why then does our gubmint not crack down on the thousands of gubmint employees (real criminals) who have NOT and continue to NOT pay their taxes? You and I are required to do so, then explain to me why they are NOT going after OUR employees, the gubmint workers?

HYPOCRITS!


18 posted on 04/09/2015 11:27:00 AM PDT by DaveA37
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Some history =>

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The Bank Secrecy Act of 1970 (or BSA, or otherwise known as the Currency and Foreign Transactions Reporting Act) requires financial institutions in the United States to assist U.S. government agencies to detect and prevent money laundering.

Specifically, the act requires financial institutions to keep records of cash purchases of negotiable instruments, and file reports of cash purchases of these negotiable instruments of more than $10,000 (daily aggregate amount), and to report suspicious activity that might signify money laundering, tax evasion, or other criminal activities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_Secrecy_Act

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BushI, March 05, 1991 =>

Asset forfeiture laws allow us to take the ill-gotten gains of drug kingpins and use them to put more cops on the streets and more prosecutors in court.

In the last 5 years alone, the Justice Department shared over half a billion dollars in forfeited assets with State and local law enforcement.

http://bush41library.tamu.edu/archives/public-papers/2764

19 posted on 04/09/2015 11:29:08 AM PDT by Ken H
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“IRS Agents are acting like thugs.”

It’s no act.

And why isn’t Lois Lerner in jail?


20 posted on 04/09/2015 11:29:21 AM PDT by Pelham (The refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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