Hey, Christian Business Owners: The Government Isn’t ‘Forcing’ You To Do Anything

Talking Points Memo ^ | 04/07/2015 | Sally Kohn

[a fool in paradise]

You may have heard that the government is forcing businesses not to discriminate. It isn’t. If you chose to run a business, you have to follow the laws. If you don’t, that’s a choice—and you choose to suffer the consequences.

Um, in one state (New Mexico, I think) a business owner was cited for refusing to participate in a same sex wedding ceremony (I think it was a photographer, which would include being present at the event and honoring it). Thing was, same sex marriage wasn't even recognized by the laws of that state at the time the owner/artist was cited.

[Gaffer]

Still, in the wake of the controversy surrounding Indiana’s law, conservatives don’t see it that way.

I find it whimsical that a lesbian like her seems to think an Indiana law is 'just for conservatives.'

Interpret the law in Indiana courts and let it proceed. If full redress for her ilk isn't sustained, then litigate it higher. But don't rewrite the dictionary, honey (and, yes, I meant to be as offensive as it can be :0) ).

[rightwingcrazy]

“The government isn’t forcing that business to do anything other than follow the law.”

Nice tautology. What’s at issue is whether the law is Constitutional or just.

[SeekAndFind]

Looking at the pic, I could swear that it was Justin Bieber if I did not know any better.... :)

[Petrosius]

In the United States, private businesses get all kinds of government support …

Backwards. Private businesses pay for and support the government.

[MrB]

Everything Hitler and the Nazis did was “legal”.

[Gaffer]

So....I’m guessing she’s the “strap-onner”.

[smoothsailing]

The word force is in law enforcement for a reason, Sally. You mindless twit.

[JPG]

[MeshugeMikey]

wow the lesbian task force..

thats a scarey thought indeed

dykes on bikes..on steroids?

but even more seriously...

“Don’t like following the laws that apply to businesses—including serving all customers equally? Then don’t start a business.”

this knuckleheaded bull dagger has missed the core point here!

if for example someone wanted a business owner to sell them the same sort of FERTLIZER to build a BOMB that the average customer would use to increase crop yield...the Business Owner would certainly be well within his rights to refuse that sale!!

No Shoes....No Shirt..No COMMON SENSE...No Service!

[a fool in paradise]

There are two problems with Santorum’s reasoning. The first is that a printer doesn’t have to make such signs, under any law, because refusing to do so is not discrimination in any legally prohibited sense.

BULLSTALIN. Cake decorators and t-shirt printers have BOTH been charged for refusing such work.

[RightGeek]

Most of all Christianity clashed with the official state religion of the empire, for Christians refused to perform Caesar worship. This, in the Roman mindset, demonstrated their disloyalty to their rulers.

[Maceman]

The government isn’t forcing that business to do anything other than follow the law.

Nice bit of sophistry, that.

[a fool in paradise]

Dude, you’re getting a Dell-do!

[4rcane]

She is basically saying you can’t be a christian and choose to start a business. She basically believe a gay printer could refuse to print a sign that say “God Hates Fags” but still believe a Christian can not refuse service to gay wedding

[Petrosius]

So in other words, according to very liberal “logic,” the government isn’t forcing you to do anything.. But if you don’t do it, you should expect the government to punish you.

Just like there is not coercion in Islam. Everyone is free to accept or reject Islam. But if you reject it we will kill you.

[a fool in paradise]

But let’s say the printer is asked to make a communion sign or a gay wedding sign. In this case—especially in states that prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation as well as religion—refusing to print such a sign would indeed be illegal.

So atheists can go taunting Christian printshops by ordering 'Hail S@t@n!" signs?

[lepton]

The government isn’t forcing that business to do anything other than follow the law.

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That statement alone lays her arguments in ruin...

....not to mention that the interpretation of the law is in violation of constitutional law in more than one way.

[originalbuckeye]

Pretty much lost in all those words is the concept of religious freedom. I suspect the famous cases, those who have been or will be shut down, are a result of ‘outing’. If one bakery chooses not to celebrate a gay wedding by not making a cake, there are 10 more who will do it. Where is the harm? Steven Crowder proved that Muslim bakeries will not make ‘gay wedding cakes’. Where is the outrage against them? Would there be any outrage against a gay owned bakery if they choose not to make a cake with Leviticus 20-13 on the cake in script? Of course not. This is the bullying of Leftists with their willing accomplices in Media. Religious freedom needs to extend to ALL religions. Not just the religions that the Leftists like and promote. (PS- a gay owned bakery not wanting to ‘slur’ the gay lifestyle with any scripture isn't a case of religious freedom for the gay owners. It's just political correctness)

[MrB]

One concept leftists will avoid at all costs...

that anything they advocate the gov’t do
is authorizing the pointing of a gun in the face
of those that don’t want to comply.

You’ll invariably hear from them “it doesn’t have to come to that!”
I think FReepers are intelligent enough to understand that - it means people will knuckle under before the guns come out.

It DOESN’T mean that the gov’t will say “oh, you don’t want to comply? OK. Carry on.”