Posted on 04/03/2015 1:16:29 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
In Rules for Radicals, Alinsky wrote: “From the moment an organizer enters a community, he lives, dreams, eats, breathes, sleeps only one thing, and that is to build the mass power base of what he calls the army.” The issue is never the issue. The issue is always building the army. The issue is always the revolution
Guided by these principles, Alinsky’s disciples are misperceived as idealists; in fact, they are practiced Machiavellians. Their focus is invariably on means rather than ends. As a result they are not bound by organizational orthodoxies or theoretical dogmatisms in the way their still admired Marxist forebears were. Within the framework of their revolutionary agendas, they are flexible and opportunistic and will say anything (and pretend to be anything) to get what they want, which is power."......The issue is never the issue, the issue is always the revolution"
Walker: IN Law Outrage From People “Chronically Looking For Ways To Be Upset About Things”
Full 9:00 interview: Walker: Media 'hype and hysteria' driving Indiana backlash
Is there a thread on FR that explains exactly and articulately what this second bill does??
bump
Thanks, this is one issue that it seems so difficult to get specific and credible info here on.
On Obama-care we got lots of details here.,
All we hear is that we will all be locked up forever for opposing gay marriage, not whats in this bill,
not anything we can use to debate with on the Planet Earth.
Here is some information:
"..... "The new legislation marks the first time sexual orientation and gender identity have been mentioned in Indiana law.
The Arkansas measure is similar to a bill sent to the governor earlier this week, but Hutchinson said he wanted it revised to more closely mirror a 1993 federal law.
The Indiana amendment prohibits service providers from using the law as a legal defense for refusing to provide goods, services, facilities or accommodations. It also bars discrimination based on race, color, religion, ancestry, age, national origin, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or U.S. military service.
The measure exempts churches and affiliated schools, along with nonprofit religious organizations.
Business leaders, many of whom had opposed the law or canceled travel to the state because of it, called the amendment a good first step but said more work needs to be done. Gay-rights groups noted that Indiana's civil-rights law still does not include LGBT people as a protected class. ........."
Missoulian: Indiana, Arkansas pass revised religious objection proposals
Thanks
But Not good,
What was needed was protections for businesses who cant service celebrations of events that they are morally opposed to, like same sex marriage ceremonies.
Those who call it surrender have a point. Its a bounty on Christians.
If burning a flag is free speech, how is refusing to provide a service not free speech?
I know money is payable for “all debts public and private,” but there is no debt until an agreement is made to provide a service or product.
Isn’t forced labor slavery?
That is what the activist left purports to want, but didn't get - another protected grievance group - but as you can see in the piece above from Salon - some in the gay community know that this kind of activism hurts them and they don't want it. They know that this isn't about "the issue" that is being pushed by the media and anarchists, it's about the rabid left's self-interested revolution against the country.
Isn’t discrimination- a form of expression- free speech, to be protected whether we agree with or are repulsed by what a person expresses or how they express it?
Isn’t the aim of the 1st amendment to protect unpopular speech, particularly political speech... and therefore political expression, which these days includes such ridiculous issues as wedding cakes and pizza preferences?
Do liberals really believe that the descendants of KKK victims should be required by law to provide goods and services to supporters of the clan or to celebrate the clan’s anniversary, etc., on demand?
We lost that fight in the 1960s with the Civil Rights Act,
In 2011 Rand Paul on the MSNBC Maddow show on his own tryed to argue that businesses should be able to pick their own customers, and he got such merciless beating that today he denies what he said on that show ( basically lying) , and he tries to make up to it by proposing stuff that black libs Demand .
No one will take up that fight, so lets move on to related stuff we might win.
They want to use this so-con rout to beat Indiana into passing state wide gay rights protection bills,
Or replacing Republicans who wont with Dems who will.
Its war and our side has pea shooters and libs have canoons and machine guns.
Mike Pence’s name is mud.
I think I can clear this up for you.
Burning an American Flag is considered "Free Speech"...
Yep!
However, burning a Rainbow flag is considered "Hate Speech"...
See the difference?
No thanks, give me liberty or give me death.
Now the Gaystapo can put Christians out of the workplace in Indiana. Next come the churches.
Pray America is waking
Like Walter Williams says:
There is good discrimination and there is bad discrimination.
Throughout the years, I’ve read many of your starter threads......
.......some are spot on and straight to the heart
.......some I question their themes and find them confusing and convoluting
I know, without a doubt, where many Freepers stand......I know because they consistently, through the years, have maintained their credentials of who they innately are..........as we struggle to find truth in this world.
Where do you stand?
I’m a simple person.
I find the author of this present piece you’ve introduced, particularly repugnant ......
Especially attacking the reputation and motives of the mom & pop pizza owners.
What is happening to them is real.......and our response is from sincere citizens trying to fight back anyway we can.
Pence has very effectively taken himself out of any consideration for a vp slot on the Republican ticket in 2016.
Think about it, but at what cost to the republic?
The point of posting this is to show how this is being perceived by all sides.
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