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Biden: Denying Climate Change ‘Almost Like Denying Gravity’
The Washington Times ^ | March 07, 2015 | Phillip Swarts

Posted on 03/07/2015 12:38:03 PM PST by Steelfish

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To: Steelfish

I believe in climate change! I believe it is cyclical, and us puny humans can’t do anything about it. I also believe that politicians use it as a power grab, and to enrich themselves.


61 posted on 03/07/2015 2:25:56 PM PST by vpintheak (Call them what they are - regressive control-freaks)
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No one denies climate change. Sensible people just deny that it is caused by humans and that a 1 degree change in temperature will doom mankind or even have an impact. We do believe that reducing carbon emissions at the expense of having electricity and cars available on demand WILL certainly harm mankind.

At both poles typically the average annual temperature is -49 F. Worst case scenario by the models is a global increase in about 7 degrees.

At -42 F not much melting going to happen.

62 posted on 03/07/2015 2:29:19 PM PST by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: Dick Bachert

These grant money whores used to be real scholars who used their time to write in the numerous academic journals that shared their intellectual knowledge around the world. The phrase, “publish or perish,” was the phrase used to describe the need to further one’s career by the merit of what you published. Now, the direct method of trolling for government grant money bypasses the academic route. It bypasses the scrutiny of ones peers and takes advantage of the ignorance of Congress. Lucky this is not at a time when men believed in a flat earth and the earth as the center of the universe.


63 posted on 03/07/2015 2:30:13 PM PST by jonrick46 (America's real drug problem: other people's money ( the opium of Communists).)
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To: RedMDer

Touche`. LOL


64 posted on 03/07/2015 2:35:09 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: fedupjohn

“Brain”???? What brain?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3265383/posts?q=1&;page=12#12

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3265383/posts?page=24#24


65 posted on 03/07/2015 2:39:40 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: Steelfish
“I think it’s close to mindless,” Mr. Biden said

The voice of experience

66 posted on 03/07/2015 2:40:27 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: Triple
Al Gore said that the polar ice cap would be gone by 2015.

“Arctic sea ice extent in February averaged 14.41 million square kilometers (5.56 million square miles).”

I guess technically we have to give him to the end of the year.

And while the Arctic ice is at the low end of the average coverage, the Antarctic ice cover is above average. I imagine that there is some sort of balancing act between the two poles that helps moderate our climate for life. Just like the moon is the perfect size and distance and regular orbit to provide tidal action that cleanses the tidal areas and supports near-shore life.

67 posted on 03/07/2015 2:45:14 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: Steelfish
Joe, if someone were to spew greenhouse gases into the air, it might affect the climate to some degree at some point in the future. If, on the other hand, you’re in Wilmington, on top of 1201 North Market, and somebody throws you off, you will fall 331 feet, you will run into the ground, and you will not be waking up in the hospital, let alone with a concussion.
68 posted on 03/07/2015 2:55:18 PM PST by RichInOC ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but one mustn't misuse it."--Pope St. John Paul II)
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To: Steelfish
Joe “Slow Joe” Biden ought to know about gravity...he falls down alot when he gets loaded. Global warming/climate change...not so much.
69 posted on 03/07/2015 2:59:44 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Steelfish

Those things almost deny gravity don't they?

70 posted on 03/07/2015 3:17:12 PM PST by TigersEye (ISIS is the tip of the spear. The spear is Islam.)
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To: Steelfish

Believing man causes global warming is like believing unicorns cause rainbows... Only 13 year girls and Biden would fall for it.


71 posted on 03/07/2015 3:19:16 PM PST by GOPJ (Amnesty's the spirit of slave ships - not Selma. Cheap labor and political power... Greenfield)
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To: Steelfish

No one is denying climate change. However, many of us do deny global warming due to anthropological activities such as burning fossil fuels.

Carbon dioxide is to forests as oxygen is to all the earth’s mammals.

when I was in HS, freshmen/sophomores had to take either a biology class or earth science 101. Apparently today’s dimwit politicians and news reporters were not capable of taking a biology class?????


72 posted on 03/07/2015 3:57:09 PM PST by Gumdrop
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To: Steelfish

<<< “I think it’s close to mindless,” Mr. Biden said. >>>

Joe knows mindlessness.


73 posted on 03/07/2015 4:13:32 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Steelfish

Global Warming proponents can never defend their positions, so they just lob insults at those who disagree with them.


74 posted on 03/07/2015 4:15:27 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Humans have mass so they do cause gravity.


75 posted on 03/07/2015 4:19:47 PM PST by Lisbon1940 (No full-term governors)
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To: Hugin
No, the point is we can only predict with our CURRENT knowledge, here, on Earth; we have not yet gone beyond our solar system. Our knowledge of the Cosmos is miniscule, at best. To say it's PROVEN, is specious. When we get to study our first black hole, then MAYBE it can be thought more of a 'law', or, more likely, back to the drawing board. Now, if those that support global can, by a SINGLE model, predict with certain precision (75%?), then I'd say they were on the same footing. If ANY scientist says things are 'settled' *I* know they're not talking science. Science has always been the search for answers, but more likely that not, creates more than settles as 'absolute'.
76 posted on 03/07/2015 4:29:30 PM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: Republican Wildcat
The only thing that made this one worse was the path it took toward large cities - had the center made landfall over a sparsely populated area it wouldn't have even been discussed. The system also absorbed a Nor'easter that happened to be in its path, making it larger

The ingredients along with Sandy were a deep upper trough with a strong shortwave moving along it. That enabled an upper low to cut off and absorb Sandy. Sandy hit southern Jersey, far from the worst surge. The surge was bad because of the large wind field like you say. The winds were even strong on top of Mount Washington.

The same strong extratropical transitions happens almost every year, Even in 2012 there was already a storm almost as strong as Sandy, hit Newfoundland. A comparative storm was Hazel 1954. Different path but similar dynamics.

77 posted on 03/07/2015 4:54:14 PM PST by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet into FlixNet)
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To: Dogbert41
, despite a record number of volcanoes spewing forth more carbon into the atmosphere than all of mankind put together over 6,000 years.

More volcanoes recently but not a record by any measurement. The best proxy for volcanic activity is the stratospheric aerosol readings Check Fg 1 in this paper http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/13/5205/2013/acp-13-5205-2013.pdf and the recent volcanic activity is still 10 times less than Pinatubo.

As for comparison, man's 30 Gt of CO2 is well above Pinatubo's 45 Mt. Generally the ratio of all man's CO2 per year to all volcanic per year is about 100 to 1.

78 posted on 03/07/2015 5:00:22 PM PST by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet into FlixNet)
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To: jonrick46
The pie chart is not correct. Water vapor is at least 3/4 of the greenhouse effect and CO2 is between 1/10 and 1/4. The CO2 level used to be 280 ppm and now is 400 ppm and rising about 2.5 per year. Essentially all of the rise is now manmade. Now, there would have been a rise without mankind due to warming from the Little Ice Age, but that rise would have been maybe 5 or 10 ppm.

So let's say man's net contribution is 100ppm on top of 290 or 300 ppm. The warming effect of CO2 is logarithmic. Here's a nice picture of it:

The added warming from man's CO2 is the sum of the short bars to the right of 290 or so. Not a lot, but more than the 0.28% (0.0028) in your pie chart. The likely reason the pie chart is wrong is that is uses natural outgassing (200 Gt carbon) but ignores natural ingassing (also about 200). Man is 7 Gt but all outgassing. 200 divided by 7 is 28. The ratio in the pie chart is 16, so closer to reality, but still not correct.

It's common error to not consider net CO2, I'm not sure they made that error but they are off by the same order of magnitude.

CO2 is being depleted.

True up to the industrial revolution. It was a problem and now we don't have that problem any more.

As the oceans fill up with more algae and there is more plant life, more CO2 is being used. Also true. Plus various chemical reactions cause more carbon to precipitate out in the ocean.

This balance between the photosynthesizers and the methanogens is the true story of the Earth’s temperature regulation.

A nice summary of the picture in the long run. In the very short run the balancing is done by weather. If one area gets too warm convection increases and there is localized cooling. The earth is constantly getting rid of heat various ways (ultimately all radiated). Those speed up with local and regional warming.

79 posted on 03/07/2015 5:20:31 PM PST by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet into FlixNet)
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To: Steelfish
CCforDummies photo ClimateChangeAl.jpg
80 posted on 03/07/2015 5:39:01 PM PST by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals crazy!)
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