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To: Phlyer
I think this forum - and the nation as a whole - would be much more ready to endorse police behavior if they would just stop the unconscionable and unConstitutional home invasions.

The problem there is the mentality/thinking process of LE that sees these actions as acceptable is endemic in the upper levels of LE. It has become part of LE culture where management is concerned.

One state is considering law that would reign in no knock warrants (not eliminate them) and you should see and hear the wailing from police chiefs. They want NO restrictions on them. They consider dead (innocent included) civilians to be acceptable collateral damage. And they say so in so many words.

80,000 SWAT invasions a year. At least 80% of those are to serve piddly sh1t warrants.

The problem now is that these invasions are considered by police leadership to be acceptable standard practice. IOW, it is now permanently ingrained in their thinking and their culture. Business as usual.

Ask yourself, what would it take to put a halt to this? Is it even possible to change their way of thinking? Truthfully, in the long run I see a completely cowed population or the other extreme of a violent backlash by normal citizens.

14 posted on 02/21/2015 7:55:48 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there....)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
They consider dead (innocent included) civilians to be acceptable collateral damage.

The most direct antecedent for your 'they' is police chiefs, which I will take to include LE management in general. And I agree. "They" don't accept the basic premise that they serve us. Once they move into positions of real power, it goes to their collective heads and they consider 'collateral damage' an acceptable price to pay for their power. On the other hand, the patrol officers that I know personally are all good people who would be very reluctant to use that tactic unless ordered.

The solution, at least for the situations that most often are cited as concerns, would be that in the case of a no-knock search warrant that goes bad for any reason, not only do the officers on the raid get disciplined in some appropriate way (team leaders get fired, team members get lengthy suspensions) but it is automatic that the police chief gets fired. And 'goes bad' includes not finding that the targets were criminals with sufficient firepower to have taken out a police car with the officer calling at them from behind it by bullhorn. Goes bad includes killing innocent pets.

Not that I expect that to happen. But until the 'price' paid by the police for being wrong on a no-knock warrant approaches the risk to a home resident from a home invasion, they will still use that inherently wrong tactic.
21 posted on 02/26/2015 3:32:37 PM PST by Phlyer
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