Posted on 02/14/2015 12:49:53 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
“Why should the default position be that the Bible mHat be in the room...”
Because the owner of the room wants it to be. That’s why.
The foot baths will stay, however.
It’s amazing how a closed book can make anyone uncomfortable. Don’t want to read it? Don’t open it.
If there was a Qu’ran waiting for me in my dorm room, I’d be okay with it. There’s always the chance I might run out of toilet paper some night.
“And why do you believe that scripture?”
Because I know it from experience to be true.
I vote for making them really uncomfortable: put Atlas Shrugged in their rooms.
Understood, why are they doing the work of the state church?
And it is sad that there are still vestiges of official churches in connection with the “state.”
Well...it is a Kingdom.
I don't know about "insist" BUT...Why not?
Jesus said...
Jesus said, "Go ye forth and teach all nations". You are commanded to spread the word of God.
I believe that the Bible contains the word of God, but that is a belief and a belief alone.
With all due respect, that is a pretty tepid 'belief'.
Almost any philosophical treatise will contain a word (or two) of God. Writings from Plato, Lao Tzi, etc. We are saying that the Bible IS the Word of God. Man gets in trouble when they try to judge God's Word, and take what they like, and toss what they disapprove.
I nor you can prove that it is God’s word.
Fair enough. No one is going to 'prove' God. That assumes that we can draw a circle around Him and run tests on Him. God judges us, not we Him. That said, God validated His Word by including many proofs for the fair minded skeptic to confirm what He said is truth.
Isaiah 42:9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Isaiah 45 talks of the Persian King Cyrus - who God would use to destroy Babylon - Over one hundred years before Cyrus was born.
Isaiah 45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
In His Word, God speaks how Babylon would destroy Jerusalem - well before Babylon was a strong kingdom (at the time of the prophecy Babylon was a minor fiefdom of the great Assyrian Empire). See the Book of Habakkuk.
God's Word calls King Josiah, by name, as the one who would tear down the sacrilegious altars of the Northern Kingdom -- hundreds of years before Josiah was borne.
1 Kings 13:2 And he cried against the altar in the word of the Lord, and said, O altar, altar, thus saith the Lord; Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee.
Likewise the Lord Jesus prophesied His death, and Resurrection, so His followers would know that His Word was true:
John 13: 19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am He.
IF reading God's Word wasn't good enough to tell us that it is the truth (it uniquely describes man's condition as a hopeless sinner, incapable of saving Himself - in need of a qualified Saviour and solely reliant on the Grace of God), He has provided us with copious evidence through his prophecies of things that were to come to pass - well before they happened.
For centuries now people have said that “The Bible is God’s word.”
Someone replies to that: “How do you know this to be true?”
They answer that with: “Because there are scriptures that say that the Bible is God’s word.”
They reply to that with: “How do you know those scriptures are correct that it is God’s word?”
They answer that by saying “Because those scriptures are in the Bible, that’s why!”
And they have been using circular reasoning for centuries to defend that the Bible is God’s word.
The thing about God's Word, the Bible, is that one is incapable of believing it unless you come to it with a humble spirit, desiring to learn from it. I spent a year as a skeptic reading the Bible (probably more like 2 years to get through it). It meant nothing to me. It wasn't until I became a Believer that I saw that it was the Word of Truth. God says IF you seek Him, you will find Him.
Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Deuteronomy 4:29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the Lord thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
But if you come to God, and His Word, to judge Him and to scrutinize Him under Man's mighty mind ... you will not find Him. A humble spirit and contrite heart is required.
And citing Queen Victoria is nothing more than a logically fallacious Appeal to Authority and an Appeal to Tradition.
You missed my point. I'm not appealing to authority but referencing a very sound observation. Countries are blessed that trust in the Lord. Great Britain and America ('In God We Trust') were greatly blessed when they were Nations inhabited with Believers. As they drifted (and drift) away from trusting God - those blessings go away ... and Judgment comes in its wake.
Psalm 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into Hell, and all those nations that forget God.
Those informal fallacies won’t bolster the contention that the Bible is God’s word.
And some may even say “Archaeologists have found the Poll of Siloam.” and then follow that with “That proves that Jesus healed that man near the Pool of Siloam as the scriptures say”
No, that does not prove that Jesus healed a man there just because you found that Pool of Siloam that the scripture says Jesus healed a man near to.
Sure, the archaeological discoveries don't 'prove' the Word of God - but one would have to force himself to be blind to ignore the remarkable frequency of archaeological discoveries that refute claims that the Bible was in error. For may years people claimed that there was no 'Shinar' ... then, sure enough, they discovered the ancient empire of Sumer (Shinar). Then they said there was no Hittite empire, but sure enough - they discovered the record. There was no mighty city of Nineveh - but sure enough, there it was. There was no Kind David - but sure enough, his name was discovered in the archaeological evidence. Time, and time again, archaeological discoveries have proven that the historical words of the Bible are accurate.
So what is the sum of the matter?
No, no one can 'prove' God to the satisfaction of a skeptic. God does not need us to prove Him. We are to come to Him in Faith. And Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
Uncomfortable? . . . .just how uncomfortable do they think burning in hell will be?
That’s my take as well. How can people who consider themselves beyond religion be threatened by what can only be an inanimate object to them? If being made uncomfortable by the contents of a book is a problem, they’re not going to get very far in their education. If being made uncomfortable by the mere physical existence of a book is a problem, they might want to consider medication for neurosis.
As long as I have WiFi, I don't really care what books are in my room, as long as they're not taking up needed space (which never happens).
You can love God and Harry Potter.
Whats the problem with the latter?
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http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Hellivision/harry_potter_sex.htm
There are other links on this site. May not bother you but it does me. I just brought it up in my Sunday School Class this morning. . . .Harry Potter is just the tip of the iceberg in what these poor kids are into. So sad!
I tend to agree with you. Though, I found your #78 more compelling.
A fair source of scientific “evidence” for the validity of Torah at least, lies in Leviticus XI:19 where the Hebrew word “Tinshemet” (tuf nun shin mem tuf) is used to describe various birds and the bat (which is a mammal, but would not have been known at the time of writing).
Remarkably (to me at least) this same word is used again in XI:30, but now describes “reptile” exclusively: “...and the gecko, and the land-crocodile, and the lizard, and the sand lizard , and the chameleon”.
In his book “The Science Of God” (1997) the physicist Gerald Schroeder views this “coincidence” as possibly describing Archaeopteryx, which is generally considered (and as I believe) among paleontologists today as a transitional form between reptiles and birds, leading from its development in the Jurassic period about 200 million years ago.
Of course it’s very mysterious as to how this association was made, unless allowing that the Levitical authors actually had a fossil of this form, which seems to me highly unlikely. However, the real mystery then is how they were somehow able to make this extraordinary connection twixt two different taxonomical classes.
Not necessarily “proof” of the overall Biblical narrative, but a fantastic coincidence for the ages as it were.
Why not?
You need to show some harm being done by this policy.
You attempt to quote Jesus is interesting.
I would contest your interpretation. I would appreciate someone giving me access to books. So by this policy I am following the teachings of Jesus.
People who say they are made uncomfortable by a closed book in a drawer worry me because they are either drama queens or have mental problems.
Both kinds of people are dangerous.
Perhaps this should be a test about whether you should be allowed to live around other people. "Does a closed book in a drawer bother you? If so, please see a doctor. Application Denied!"
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