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The 2nd Amendment Is For Muskets Only?! [Good points for future Reference]
Bearing Arms ^ | February 11, 2015 | Bob Owens

Posted on 02/12/2015 9:06:41 AM PST by HammerT

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To: DaveA37

It,s in one of the umbras....


21 posted on 02/12/2015 10:25:06 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: SMARTY

The word ‘Saxon’ refers to a large knife carried by those people - those in that culture who didn’t carry one where though of a slaves.

Something to ponder.


22 posted on 02/12/2015 10:26:21 AM PST by HammerT (The Right to keep and bear arms: A Commonsense Civil Right)
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To: HammerT
The 2nd Amendment Is For Muskets Only?!

In the same manner that Journalists need to be using pen, paper, and hand operated printing presses to exercise the first amendment.

23 posted on 02/12/2015 10:26:22 AM PST by DiogenesLamp
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To: Yo-Yo

Ha! You beat me to it!


24 posted on 02/12/2015 10:26:55 AM PST by DiogenesLamp
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To: GingisK

The video reaffirmed that the founders were learned men who knew of the advancements in technology... and that multiple barreled gun were available at the time.


25 posted on 02/12/2015 10:42:59 AM PST by HammerT (The Right to keep and bear arms: A Commonsense Civil Right)
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To: Liberty Valance

That was an EXCELLENT gutting of that a$$hole Piers Morgan.


26 posted on 02/12/2015 10:48:18 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Objective Scrutator

“Their attempts at reducing the Second Amendment to a meaningless statement of duties”

A position which they hold to until even implementing that becomes a reality, at which point they abandon it.
Irritating case in point: the US Marines yesterday told to disarm, in the face of hostile forces, to fly on international commercial planes. Some spokesdroid referred thereto as “of course you can’t carry weapons on commercial flights” even though it was exclusively loaded with on-duty soldiers ordered to retreat from a war zone. Push come to shove, the Left won’t even stand for their own interpretation of “a well-regulated militia[ry] being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of [soldiers] to keep and bear [small] arms shall not be infringed”.

/rant


27 posted on 02/12/2015 10:57:04 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: HammerT

bkmk


28 posted on 02/12/2015 11:39:29 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Liberty Valance

LOL! Smart gal!!


29 posted on 02/12/2015 2:19:33 PM PST by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: HammerT

Lost in the gun rights debate, much to the detriment of American freedom, is the fact that the Second Amendment is in fact an “AMENDMENT”. No “Articles in Amendment” to the Constitution, more commonly referred to as the Bill of Rights, stand alone and each can only be properly understood with reference to what it is that each Article in Amendment amended in the body of the original Constitution. It should not be new knowledge to any American the Constitution was first submitted to Congress on September 17, 1787 WITHOUT ANY AMENDMENTS. After much debate, it was determined that the States would not adopt the Constitution as originally submitted until “further declamatory and restrictive clauses should be added” “in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its (the Constitutions) powers”. (This quote is from the Preamble to the Amendments, which was adopted along with the Amendments but is mysteriously missing from nearly all modern copies.) The first ten Amendments were not ratified and added to the Constitution until December 15, 1791.

In this Light:

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” What provisions of the original Constitution is it that the Second Amendment is designed to “amended”?

THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS AMENDING THE PROVISIONS IN THE ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION APPLYING TO THE “MILITIA”. The States were not satisfied with the powers granted to the “militia” as defined in the original Constitution and required an amendment to “prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers. “(Again quoting from the Preamble to the Amendments.)

What was it about the original Constitutional provisions concerning the “Militia” that was so offensive to the States?

First understand that the word “militia” was used with more than one meaning at the time of the penning of the Constitution. One popular definition used then was one often quoted today, that the “Militia” was every able bodied man owning a gun. As true as this definition is, it only confuses the meaning of the word “militia” as used in the original Constitution that required the Second Amendment to correct. The only definition of “Militia” that had any meaning to the States demanding Amendments is the definition used in the original Constitution. What offended the States then should offend “People” today:

“Militia” in the original Constitution as amended by the Second Amendment is first found in Article 1, Section 8, clause 15, where Congress is granted the power:

“To provide for the calling forth the MILITIA to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrection and repel Invasions.” Article 1, Section 8, Clause 16 further empowers Congress:

“To provide for the organizing, arming, and disciplining, the MILITIA, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;” Any “patriot” out there still want to be called a member of the “MILITIA” as defined by the original Constitution?

Article 2, Section 2, Clause 1 empowers: “The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the MILITIA of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;” The only way the States would accept the “MILITIA” as defined in the original Constitution was that the Federal “MILITIA” be “WELL REGULATED”. The States realized that “THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE” required that the “MILITIA” as originally created in the Constitution be “WELL REGULATED” by a “restrictive clause.” How did the States decide to insure that the Constitutional “MILITIA” be “WELL REGULATED”? By demanding that “restrictive clause two” better know as the “Second Amendment” be added to the original Constitution providing:

“THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.” The States knew that “PEOPLE” with “ARMS” would “WELL REGULATE” the Federal “MILITIA”!

Now read for the first time with the full brightness of the Light of truth:

“A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.”

For those still overcome by propaganda:

The Second Amendment declares by implication that if the “MILITIA” is not “WELL REGULATED” by “PEOPLE” keeping and bearing arms, the “MILITIA” becomes a threat to the “SECURITY OF A FREE STATE.”

The “MILITIA” has no “RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS” in the Second Amendment, rather it is only “THE RIGHT OF THE “”PEOPLE”” TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS (that) SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.”


30 posted on 02/12/2015 2:33:46 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: Yo-Yo; Revelation 911; Lazamataz; HammerT
If the Second Amendment is only for muskets, then the First Amendment is only for Gutenberg presses.
If the Second Amendment refers only to muskets, then it follows that the First Amendment freedom of the press refers only to hand-cranked printing presses. Ummm, that’s not a case we want to make. Because, contrary to popular opinion, “the media” does not actually favor strict construction of the First Amendment. If they did, McCain-Feingold would have been anathema to them, whereas in fact they were the only ones (besides Democrat politicians, which is hardly a contrasting category) who did enthusiastically favor McCain.

The case we want to make is that

  1. The provision in Article 1 Section 8 which says
    The Congress shall have power . . . To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries . . .
    implies that the framers and ratifiers of the Constitution anticipated and favored progress of technology not excluding communications technology and weapons technology.

  2. The framers and ratifiers of the Constitution also anticipated the possibility that future developments would reveal the need for other provisions in the Constitution - and that the way to adapt to such circumstances is delineated in Article V, “Amendments.”
The public (not the government, the public) has/have the rights spelled out in the Constitution (and some which are implicit, see the Tenth Amendment). You have the right to freedom of the press - you don’t need a license to own a press and, considering the above argument, you have the right to use any other technology to attempt to propagate your opinions. You have the right to build your own web site, for example (You don’t have a right to post on FR, but that’s because it’s Jim Robinson’s web site and he has the right to give or withhold the privilege of anyone to post here - he, via the Mods, edits the site for Jim’s target audience).

The logical conclusion of that line of reasoning is, of course, that the FCC is illegitimate since it gives some the privilege to broadcast, but denies that “privilege” to you and me.


31 posted on 02/12/2015 4:51:59 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: reg45

Meal, hell. Give ‘em kernels and a couple of rocks.


32 posted on 02/13/2015 1:07:51 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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