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DoD once again trying to screw the troops.

Honestly, if my son came to me today and expressed an interest in joining the military, I would tell him hell no! Uncle Sam does NOT have his back, promising the moon but delivering nothing but trouble and heartache.

1 posted on 01/28/2015 6:35:47 PM PST by Timber Rattler
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Sure! We all want to take on active duty roles for 20+ years in return for National Guard retirement bennies starting at age 60.

Whatever plan congress puts itself under May be acceptable, let’s try it out


2 posted on 01/28/2015 6:39:52 PM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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This is similar to what DOD does to people who leave active duty and go in the reserves - these people can’t collect any retirement pay until they reach 55 years of age.


3 posted on 01/28/2015 6:40:06 PM PST by Ken522
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Are the lousy government officials in all three branches going to have their lavish retirements cut? What is Mary Landrieu making since she was fired by the voters? Congressional retirement pay should be cut by 50%.


5 posted on 01/28/2015 6:43:52 PM PST by txrefugee
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Before making honorable service in the Armed Forces even *less* attractive perhaps we should be looking at the compensation packages of *civilians* receiving government pay/retirement checks.
6 posted on 01/28/2015 6:46:28 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama;America's First "Third World" President)
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its high time....should have been done long ago....I say that as a dtr who's both parents were vets, who's 3 brothers and 3 brother in laws served, who's husband served....

this promising long time pensions has got to stop....for everybody......start paying pensions for work of 20/30/40 yrs at age 60 or 62....

7 posted on 01/28/2015 6:46:51 PM PST by cherry
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“Honestly, if my son came to me today and expressed an interest in joining the military, I would tell him hell no!”

Can't blame you, and there will be many who would have signed up who now will not - and the country will be the worse for it.

Just as an aside, if Obama wants to give away ‘free tuition’, then how about trading that for military service.

8 posted on 01/28/2015 6:49:13 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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Hey people in their 70s and 80s etc today lived in the best of times in America...

All generations which followed got screeeeewed...


9 posted on 01/28/2015 6:49:36 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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The Military Compensation and Retirement Modernization Commission will release its long-awaited report Thursday, which will propose fundamental changes to military benefits including ending the 20-year retirement, according to the Military Times, citing sources familiar with the report.

FYI, there was a point in time (up until sometime in thirties) that ONLY the Navy had a 20 year retirement plan, Army was 30...

11 posted on 01/28/2015 6:52:52 PM PST by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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The commissary was always a great deal. The AAFES exchange sucked. Combining them would lead to the lowest common denominator i.e. another benefit lost. Most troops I knew would shop at WalMart in lieu of the BX for almost every non food thing they needed.

Most troops are non-career and some get riffed. Either way, under the current system it's either a medical or 20 years to collect retirement. I kinda like the idea of non-career types buying into the TSP. I wound up buying my time back and had to do it by raiding another plan.

When we had CHAMPUS, I had to have my wife shop doctors to see who would take it. That didn't always get her the best care. Buying into the federal health benefits plan (I assume for dependents only) gets participants pipelined into major accepted providers like Blue Cross and Aetna.

13 posted on 01/28/2015 6:57:46 PM PST by pfflier
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As a retired military vet myself, I say that it is a good deal, in fact, a great deal, for anyone willing to perform a very different kind of job for 20 years. All of my peers had the same choices I had. In most cases I was wished well, and had heartfelt send offs. Many of those send offs, by people who would have done well in the military, but didn’t feel the same calling. They didn’t want to take that risk, but they never thought of me as “less” for making my decsion. For those who mocked my choice (all libs), they win everytime a story like this comes out. 20 year military veterans are a tiny, miniscule, percentage of the population. What I have, I earned.


16 posted on 01/28/2015 7:00:32 PM PST by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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A soldier with a thirty year retirement in the current retirement system doesn’t make as much as a welfare recipient does in many states.

The Cato Institute released an updated 2013 study (original study in 1955) showing that welfare benefits pay more than a minimum wage job in 33 states and the District of Columbia. Even worse, welfare pays more than $15 per hour in 13 states. According to the study, welfare benefits have increased faster than minimum wage. It’s now more profitable to sit at home than it is to earn an honest day’s pay.

Here is the list of the states where the pre-tax equivalent “salary” that welfare recipients receive is higher than having a job:

1. Hawaii: $60,590

2. District of Columbia: $50,820

3. Massachusetts: $50,540

4. Connecticut: $44,370

5. New York: $43,700

6. New Jersey: $43,450

7. Rhode Island: $43,330

8. Vermont: $42,350

9. New Hampshire: $39,750

10. Maryland: $38,160

11. California: $37,160

12. Oregon: $34,300

13. Wyoming: $32,620

14. Nevada: $29,820

15. Minnesota: $29,350

16. Delaware: $29,220

17. Washington: $28,840

18. North Dakota: $28,830

19. Pennsylvania: $28,670

20. New Mexico: $27,900

21. Montana: $26,930

22. South Dakota: $26,610

23. Kansas: $26,490

24. Michigan: $26,430

25. Alaska: $26,400

26. Ohio: $26,200

27. North Carolina: $25,760

28. West Virginia: $24,900

29. Alabama: $23,310

30. Indiana: $22,900

31. Missouri: $22,800

32. Oklahoma: $22,480

33. Louisiana: $22,250

34. South Carolina: $21,910

Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN ... $38,000


17 posted on 01/28/2015 7:00:39 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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One of the salient reasons for the twenty year retirement was to ensure a young, vital and vigorous military.

The same thinking might work with our Congress, now populated with superannuated, exempt blowhards having gold plated benefits and automatic pay raises.


25 posted on 01/28/2015 7:46:59 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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Active Duty ping.


32 posted on 01/28/2015 8:03:28 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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34 posted on 01/28/2015 8:34:16 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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At some point we need to quit playing as though everyone in the military. and in all branches, are doing the same job.

The CPA or secretary in finance, or the dental assistant, or gynecologist, or attorney, are not destroying themselves physically, and burning themselves out like athletes, and living on MREs and deployments for their 20 years.


35 posted on 01/28/2015 8:38:26 PM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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this will make retention of skilled solders hard. why stay in if there is no 20 year retirement plan might as will leave as soon as you can. I see this devastating the enlisted ranks.


37 posted on 01/28/2015 8:42:41 PM PST by PCPOET7
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More money is needed to finance more free stuff for loafers, moochers and illegals.


40 posted on 01/28/2015 9:17:43 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms - Open Up!" "Must be another UPS delivery, honey.")
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I’m not speaking as a veteran, but I think we need to make sure that actual combat veterans are well served, but that career military who don’t see combat are treated more like other government workers.

IMHO, if you serve a year in a combat zone, that is worth 5 years stateside.

There is a huge difference between someone who does aircraft maintenance in the US and someone who serves in a deployed brigade combat team.


42 posted on 01/28/2015 9:32:28 PM PST by MediaMole
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Screw over the Veterans, give more to welfare mommas, more to illegal aliens.
Sounds great! What a crock!!


43 posted on 01/28/2015 9:35:17 PM PST by vpintheak (Call them what they are - regressive control-freaks)
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I don’t know. Doing one enlistment just long enough to earn the GI bill would be worth it. It will be tough for them to retain quality people past that.


45 posted on 01/28/2015 11:28:58 PM PST by jospehm20
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