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The Truth, History, and the Movie Selma
pjmedia.com ^ | 1/12/2015 | Ron Radosh

Posted on 01/13/2015 7:20:11 AM PST by rktman

The nationwide release of the film Selma, which concentrates on Martin Luther King, Jr. and the 1965 Selma marches for the cause of African-American voting rights in the segregated South, has been received with much fanfare and enthusiastic accolades. It is likely to be short-listed for “Best Picture” from the voters in this year’s Academy Awards.

Questions have been raised, however, about the film’s historical accuracy in its depiction of LBJ’s relationship to Dr. King, and his role in securing the Voting Rights Act, first by Joseph A. Califano Jr., chief advisor for domestic affairs to Johnson, and then by many others.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: movies; revisonism; selma; truthfixers
Another look at the movie glen beck says we should all go see. NOT! I have a feeling there's a lot of historical fact that was, shall we say, "modified" for this production. Just editorial license I guess.
1 posted on 01/13/2015 7:20:11 AM PST by rktman
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To: rktman

Another faux history scene was J Edgar pushing LBJ to send the sex tapes to his wife when it was really RFK.


2 posted on 01/13/2015 7:23:32 AM PST by AU72
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To: rktman

I still have my Certificate of Absolution issued by talk show host Ken Hamblin, aka The Black Avenger.

It absolves me in perpetuity from “White Guilt”.

Therefore I am under no obligation to see “Selma”. Ever.


3 posted on 01/13/2015 7:26:11 AM PST by elcid1970 ("I am a radicalized infidel.")
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LOL! Despite glen beck approving it? I’ve really gone off of gb. I don’t know what changed but something just doesn’t fit anymore.


4 posted on 01/13/2015 7:28:03 AM PST by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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What’s with all these movies in recent years which stir up racial animosities? The Butler, 12 Years A Slave, Selma. What is the purpose of making such movies?? Who in Hollywood decides what the subjects if movies will be, and why do they make the choices they do???

I predict Selma will win many Oscars. Haven’t seen it. But regardless of the quality or questions about historic accuracy, the politically correct subject matter makes it an instant Oscar favorite.


5 posted on 01/13/2015 7:33:11 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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G. B. is now known to his staff as `Dear Leader’.

Soon Pat & Stu will be taking notes whenever Kim Jong Beck utters his pearls of divine wisdom.


6 posted on 01/13/2015 7:39:07 AM PST by elcid1970 ("I am a radicalized infidel.")
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To: rktman
I have a feeling there's a lot of historical fact that was, shall we say, "modified" for this production.

Name one movie presentation of an historical occurrence that hasn't been modified? The details of historical events are often mundane and pretty boring. Boring details make for boring movies and low box office receipts. That's why most movies have "Based on a True Story" somewhere in their credits, and that really should read "Loosely Based on a True Story."

7 posted on 01/13/2015 7:43:18 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: elcid1970

I forgot about Ken Hamblin.


8 posted on 01/13/2015 7:44:21 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: rktman

LBJ is the villain in this movie but only LBJ could have pushed the Civil Rights Act through against the racist southern democrats. JFK didn’t bother and RFK was getting dirt on MLK.


9 posted on 01/13/2015 7:45:52 AM PST by AU72
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Is it an okra wimpfree production? I don’t know and really don’t care. I was alive(18) during that time frame so I have some memories of it.


10 posted on 01/13/2015 7:46:29 AM PST by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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Great another movie that won’t tell us anything we didn’t already know, and will only exploit White Guilt.


11 posted on 01/13/2015 7:46:47 AM PST by dfwgator
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History will always have a liberal bias because their view is what is being promoted.


12 posted on 01/13/2015 7:48:18 AM PST by griswold3 (Just another unlicensed nonconformist in am dangerous Liberal world.)
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I’ve really gone off of gb. I don’t know what changed but something just doesn’t fit anymore.

Same here. I used to listen and even read a couple of his books. His holier-than-thou tone, the endless soap opera drama of his life and the forced, unfunny banter between GB and his sidekicks now grate on me. Now the only time I listen to his show is when there are substitute hosts!
13 posted on 01/13/2015 7:53:26 AM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I think there are two factors.

First, movies like these are seen as Oscar-bait. They may be released to good attendence and acclaim, but the real target audience is The Academy.

Second, movies take years from greenlight to release, even longer from concept to release. So look back, say, 5-7 years and think of a compelling event that producers, directors and writers would see as inspiration for these recent movies.


14 posted on 01/13/2015 8:00:30 AM PST by tanknetter
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Glen Beck is a loser but let’s be clear why PJ Media and others are criticizing this film:

PJ is doing so because the film basically deletes Ralph Abernathy; a close confidant and associate of King’s. He was allegedly (according to PJ) removed from history because in 1989 he wrote now famously how Dr. King, the night before his assassination, had a tryst with a mistress. The family never forgave him for that so asked that he be removed from the film.

My question is, so what? Is it really crucial to the telling of the story of Selma that Abernathy be depicted as part of the demonstration plans as well? Do we miss some critical historical insight?

Secondly, the other critic PJ links to is a piece by Joseph Califano, who was “ President Lyndon Johnson’s top assistant for domestic affairs from 1965 to 1969.”

Mr Califano complains that LBJ was portrayed as “being at odds with Martin Luther King Jr. and even using the FBI to discredit him, as only reluctantly behind the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and as opposed to the Selma march itself.”

Question: don’t we here on FR believe that LBJ was in fact a racist, who only reluctantly helped King, as well as the entire civil rights movement, onky when it became clear to him how black people could be used by the Democrat party, counted on for their vote?

If so, why should we disagree with a portrayal of LBJ as Califano describes? Because Califano was LBJ’s confidant? We don’t think he (Califano) may have a “truth” to protect here?

If what we believe is the truth, that LBJ was a racist only reluctantly helping the movement later on, it seems that probably LBJ was not very helpful to King early on. So the movie, if what Califano says is correct, is probably correct.

So like I said, let’s be clear what is being said about the film and by whom.


15 posted on 01/13/2015 8:02:13 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Good news. Roots is being re-animated too. A whole new crop of movies to show school children and tell them how terrible whitey is.


16 posted on 01/13/2015 8:24:04 AM PST by Organic Panic
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“Roots’’ was a lie. Haley even admitted as much.


17 posted on 01/13/2015 8:58:25 AM PST by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: rktman

Many people think that these movies that are sort of historical docudramas rewrites and flop, whether religious or political, come and go and disappear, but they don’t/

Those movies that you think disappear, are actually being made for the classrooms and the shelves at the library, 10 years from now school kids will still be checking out the movies to learn about Reagan, JFK, MLK, Noah, or whatever the subject that they need to learn about, that is if the teacher isn’t showing it in class.

“The Last Temptation of Christ” was released in 1988, and no one saw it, grossing 8.4 millions dollars to date, yet it is a staple in public libraries.


18 posted on 01/13/2015 10:48:25 AM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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