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Obamacare Problems? Now in Hands of IRS
Townhall.com ^ | January 11, 2015 | Bruce Bialosky

Posted on 01/11/2015 8:00:17 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: what's up

You are joking right? You forgot the /s tag.


21 posted on 01/11/2015 1:32:03 PM PST by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a Classical C!hristian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: Kaslin
I just downloaded IRS Form 1095, which the geniuses at IRS drafted for us taxpayers to prove we have the illegal Obamacrap policies. The form has a big hole in it. It only has room for one "Provider" i.e. name of insurance company. My policy that was non Obamacare compliant ran out in May, the new company kept screwing up things throughout June and finally got me covered in July. No way that can be explained on their stupid form.

Our forefathers went to war against George III who is a piker compared to Barack the First.

22 posted on 01/11/2015 1:53:30 PM PST by Lawgvr1955 ( Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Lawgvr1955

Plus, the B and C forms are only in draft form. Electronic submission is required but IRS has not even published draft specs. We are to collect data to comply, effective now, but no one knows for sure what data will end up being required. This is a law designed and implemented by people who never ran so much as a news stand.


23 posted on 01/11/2015 2:00:26 PM PST by AdSimp
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IMHO Obamacare is proof that the America I was born into is dead. My premiums have gone up fifteen percent every year since Obamacare was forced down our throat 4 years ago. I’ve told people that if God Himself came back as a Democrat (not that He would), they would find in a half hour Satan’s bumper sticker on my car. I’ll give the Dems credit for one thing, I’ve never donated more money and time to elections than I have the last 4 years.


24 posted on 01/11/2015 3:45:16 PM PST by Lawgvr1955 ( Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Kaslin; Man50D; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; Bigun; PeteB570; FBD; ...

One of the more interesting benefits of the FairTax is that, since it eliminates the IRS, it would also force a new debate on O[phony]bamacare.

Given all the negatives, FairTax will kill O[phony]bamacare, and that is just fine with me!


25 posted on 01/11/2015 6:25:40 PM PST by Taxman (I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; All
"It got excused in the last round as a tax."

Clause 1 of Section 7 of Article I says simply, raising revenue. So no matter what activist justices and the “transparent” Obama Administration want to call Obamacare to try to deceive taxpayers, call it a tax, a fee or a penalty, it remains that they are all constitutionally indefensible sources of federal government revenue where intrastate healthcare is concerned imo.

26 posted on 01/11/2015 6:38:57 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: HiTech RedNeck; All

I should have done a little more scratching before I posted earlier. The Constitution uses terms “raising revenue” and “appropriations” where taxes (fees, penalties, etc.) are concerned.


27 posted on 01/11/2015 6:45:55 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10

Granted, even under today’s loose Federal jurisprudence.

It would make sense for someone to challenge that tax as being unconstitutional.

But before that can happen, somebody has to be charged the tax.

Barack doesn’t want that kind of court case and neither, apparently, do a lot of Republicans (for different reasons). Maybe Congress will pass a bill excusing people from the tax and actually get Barack to sign it.


28 posted on 01/11/2015 6:52:14 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ForYourChildren

New tagline ...


29 posted on 01/11/2015 6:59:11 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Compared to this government, King George III was a piker.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Well, Tom,

I’M MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!


30 posted on 01/11/2015 7:09:07 PM PST by Taxman (I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!)
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The first major constitutional problem with IRS’s edict is that the Founding States had made the first numbered clauses in the Constitution, Sections 1-3 of Article I, evidently a good place to hide it from Congress and the IRS, to clarify that all federal legislative / regulatory powers are vested in the elected members of Congress, not in non-elected federal bureaucrats like those running the IRS.

After all, by unconstitutionally delegating federal legislative / regulatory powers to the IRS, corrupt Congress is wrongly protecting federal legislative powers from the wrath of the voters in blatant defiance of Section’s 1-3 mentioned above imo.

Next, the Constitution-ignoring bureaucrats running the IRS are also evidently ignoring that, despite what FDR’s activist justices wanted everybody to believe about the scope of Commerce Clause powers when it wrongly decided Wickard v. Filburn in corrupt Congress’s favor in 1942, that the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate either intrastate commerce or intrastate healthcare.

In fact the Supreme Court has historically clarified, in a single statement nonetheless, that that Congress has neither the power to regulate intrastate healthcare or intrastate commerce.

”State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress [emphases added].” —Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

And since the length of the work week and the size of a company’s work force are reasonably aspects of 10th Amendment-protected intrastate commerce, why is the IRS promoting Obamacare at the cost of ignoring the Constitution by making policy concerning these issues?

Another Constitution-related Supreme Court clarification that IRS needs to wise up to is that Congress is prohibited from laying taxes in the name of state power issues, healthcare a state power issue.

“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

31 posted on 01/11/2015 7:27:34 PM PST by Amendment10
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32 posted on 01/11/2015 7:37:05 PM PST by freds6girlies (many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first. Mt. 19:30. R.I.P. G & J)
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To: Kaslin

Obamacare needs to be burned down by any means necessary and hanged around the neck of Hillary Clinton.


33 posted on 01/11/2015 9:21:14 PM PST by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: Taxman

Portion of the fair tax monthly stipend could be used for a health savings account


34 posted on 01/12/2015 3:32:53 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: teeman8r

Given that ALL savings (and interest earned thereon) are tax FRee under FairTax, a personal HSA becomes very doable and very affordable.

I am instinctively opposed to any forced savings plan. I believe that somehow, someway, Americans must begin to assume responsibility for themselves and their families, and wrest control away FRom the heavy hand of government.


35 posted on 01/12/2015 6:27:30 AM PST by Taxman (I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!)
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To: Taxman

since all will receive a repay of a certain level of taxation,
the implementation of such an account would hedge against non insured entities...

i too am an advocate of personal responsibility, but for those who scream “take care of me” this is a factor that may sway them to the side of the fair tax.

alas, i feel boehner and crew will not advocate for such a system.


36 posted on 01/12/2015 7:37:33 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: teeman8r

Somehow, someway, we’ll have to convince them that they are FAR, FAR better off with the government out of their lives.

It is an education process that MUST be undertaken!

I share your pessimism re: Boehner and crew. All we can do is keep pressing the FairTax.

Thanks for your support!


37 posted on 01/12/2015 11:06:08 AM PST by Taxman (I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!)
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