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A Workforce Designed For $100 Oil Is Not The Same One Needed At $50 Oil
Oil Pro ^ | 12/30/2014 | Joseph Triepke

Posted on 12/30/2014 10:09:16 AM PST by thackney

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1 posted on 12/30/2014 10:09:16 AM PST by thackney
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To: woodbutcher

ping


2 posted on 12/30/2014 10:09:37 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney
If I was 27, I'd kiss all normal life good-bye for 3 - 5 years, work my ass off in the gas fields, save every penny and develop a money making plan while working, so that after I've accumulated a mil or two ... I could go into business and stop roughnecking, marry that sweet honey and raise a family on land, in a house, bought and paid for ... no mortgage.

My own sons aren't that patient, I'm afraid ... but I guess this screed is the result of having been in the blue collar force for 45 some years, and they just don't get it ... though THEY are blue collar themselves

If I was 27 again .....

3 posted on 12/30/2014 10:17:32 AM PST by knarf
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To: knarf

Amen brother


4 posted on 12/30/2014 10:19:15 AM PST by al baby (Hi MomÂ…)
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To: thackney

The Saudis value market share more than profits. Sort of like Samsung vs. Apple.

Personally, I vote for Apple. I’d take the money first. Market share can wait.

The bottom line for the U.S.: A big plus for the economy. Obama is the undeserving winner - unfortunately. The oil industry is going to have a bit of a setback. But the economy as a whole will really benefit. But the jobs are going to be shuffled - unfortunately.

Right now we have a surplus, for awhile and maybe quite awhile, of hard working and skilled men and women in the oil industry who are going to be looking for a job. Someone needs to figure out how to put them to work. For a bit, they will come cheap. Not for long hopefully.


5 posted on 12/30/2014 10:19:58 AM PST by InterceptPoint (Remember Mississippi)
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To: knarf

I’ve been 27.............more than twice...............


6 posted on 12/30/2014 10:22:18 AM PST by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: al baby

old too soon get we ... schmaht too late .. eh ?


7 posted on 12/30/2014 10:22:50 AM PST by knarf
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To: Red Badger

yeahhhh ... me too


8 posted on 12/30/2014 10:23:32 AM PST by knarf
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To: knarf

Yes i read that and saw from one of those star trek movies mcCoy talking to the backward talking alien


9 posted on 12/30/2014 10:24:47 AM PST by al baby (Hi MomÂ…)
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To: knarf

Not going to work in a world with $50 oil and similar gas prices.

There just isn’t going to be a lot of money to be made in the gas fields while prices are that low.

While I really like lower pump prices, there is a cost. That cost is the implosion of the boom in the shale areas. And quite possibly a slowdown if not a halt in our march towards full energy independence.


10 posted on 12/30/2014 10:24:56 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: thackney
The logic doesn't work, quite. If the man camps are shut down, there is a reduction in available housing, one which may well reflect a reduction in workforce, but which would also indicate that the construction in the area has caught up with need for housing, be it motels, suites with kitchenettes, single or multi family dwelling units.

That doesn't burst the bubble, in fact closing an alternative form of housing maintains it.

Man camps in at least one of the counties in Western ND have been limited, both by the desire of government officials to increase the tax base, but also because of the problems of providing emergency services. RV parks have been similarly limited, again in an apparent effort to promote more permanent housing solutions.

In the '70s boom, at least two apartment buildings and a motel were constructed of modular units, and were dismantled and moved elsewhere when the boom ended.

The bubble won't burst until the workforce size and available permanent housing balance out, and closing man camps will only keep it inflated by removing an alternative. Keeping in mind that the alternative is for temporary housing, that means motels or company leased apartment blocks are most likely to pick up the slack.

11 posted on 12/30/2014 10:25:01 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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Another lumber related industry that will go under is the access mat manufactures and rig mat manufacturers. This has affected the demand over the last few years for 2x8-8’ and 14’ KD & green Douglas Fir. There has been such a huge demand for these lengths from plants in BC & AB that sawmills have changed what they are cutting the log to.
However, a sawmill can adjust their cut just by changing the price in the computer that controls the optimizer.


12 posted on 12/30/2014 10:25:50 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: InterceptPoint
The Saudis value market share more than short term profits.
13 posted on 12/30/2014 10:26:25 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I’m not sure Civeois the typical man camp provider. The size of the operation in the YouTube video above is larger than I saw on the Alaskan North Slope or in my Middle East work.


14 posted on 12/30/2014 10:29:37 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: woodbutcher1963

That ping above was meant for you.

Swing and a miss by me, but glad you found the discussion. I thought you would relate.


15 posted on 12/30/2014 10:31:49 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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Won’t the liberals be offended by calling these settlements man camps? Isn’t it bigoted to assume that only men and not women work in the oil fields???

This is the reasoning used by liberals who will not call the Founding Fathers by that name, even though every single one of them was a man.


16 posted on 12/30/2014 10:34:33 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: thackney

The ones here were generally limited in size (I think the largest was 300 people). So far, I haven’t heard of any shutting down for lack of occupancy.


17 posted on 12/30/2014 10:36:37 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: thackney

Sometimes dropping prices spur refinery projects. Lots of debottlenecking to squeeze more money out of less money.


18 posted on 12/30/2014 10:39:57 AM PST by marron
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To: thackney

It is a big one, and definitely larger than the ones around here.


19 posted on 12/30/2014 10:42:55 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Welders are (and I stress the word, ) starting around 22 bucks an hr, fracking roughnecks about 19 ... there are wages to be earned by strong backs and determined men that, in a short time, can move around and up in the industry to better pay and easier work

I know a guy I met 6 ot 7 years ago that was 37 or 38 at the time and he told me last year he filed for a quarter of a million (last year being, of course 7 or 8 yrs ago)

He was managing a drill re-con shop and not too concerned about his future because of what he had been able to do in the previous 4 or 5 years.

I was a truck driver at the time and kept his statement in mind as I I probed other men I met.

The price of oil has nothing to do with the men needed to get it out of the ground ... they will be paid well.

20 posted on 12/30/2014 10:46:35 AM PST by knarf
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