Posted on 12/26/2014 10:35:03 AM PST by Kaslin
See my post #26. We Flori-duhns got a problem!
Florida was a solidly Democrat state and part of the "solid south" before the Damn Yankees arrived and brought their politics with them.
Today’s Democrat Party is not the Democrat Party of which you speak, and you know it.
Democrats were solid Conservative back in the day. Not so much today, and, for that matter, neither are Republicans.
Over the last decade or so one of my most effective arguments during political discussions with liberals that NY State has been making stupid decisions has been to point out that when I was in school in the 1960s, NY easily led in importance in the electoral college with 45 votes. That has now dwindled to 29, and the drop is not slowing. NY not only lost the number one spot, it has lost fully 1/3 of the influence it once held on the national political scene.
Yeah, during the Woodrow Wilson era when Florida was one-party RAT, they were "solidly conservative" because "the two parties switched sides and Democrats were the conservatives back then". Yet on other threads, you guys claim EVERYTHING that happened in 1913 and passed by the "progressive" Democrats running government at the time was PURE EVIL and "destroyed our Republic". Please make up your minds whether this is 'solidly conservative':
** 1916 Presidential General Election Results - Florida **
Woodrow Wilson/Thomas Marshall Democrat 55,984 votes 69.34%
Charles Hughes/Charles Fairbanks Republican 14,611 votes 18.10%
Yep, really sucked that those DamnYankees started moving to Florida in the 1920s and didn't blindly vote for "conservative" RATS like Woodrow, right?
>> Today’s Democrat Party is not the Democrat Party of which you speak, and you know it. <<
Bull. The DemonRat has been majority socialist ever since the William Jenning Bryan wing took it over in the 1890s. Wilson, FDR, and Truman would be thrilled with big federal government Marxism like socialized medicine and you know it. JFK would as well, and ran on big government programs (attacking Republicans as heartless and cruel because they OPPOSED expanding the federal government) with his "New Frontier" agenda.
Sorry, dude. You need to read up on history.
You are saying?????
They have been conservative democrats but the dems were never the more conservative party, ever. Andrew Jackson? Conservative? No. His ilk were the ideological ancestors of Obama, this is clear. Today’s conservatives are the heirs of men like Hamilton, Clay, and Lincoln.
Before the civil war Southern conservatives were Whigs. The South was 1 party democrat after reconstruction, meaning everybody, left and right, was a democrat. You had conservatives and you had socialist/fascist swine, like Huey Long, and everything in between, hardly monolithically conservative.
Unfortunately even those conservatives mostly supported communists like WJ. Bryan (thrice), Woodrow Wilson (twice) and FDR (4 times) for President. Northern migrants to Florida are the reason Ike and Nixon won the state rather than liberal swine Adali Stevenson and JFK.
Many (but hardly all, lots of good people are moving to Florida) of the more recent migrants to FL, like snowbirds from NY, may be less savory in their voting habits, but there is no denying history. Nor can you deny that Blacks are the biggest rat voting block in Florida, they didn’t come from the North. Puerto Ricans in the Orlando area, that has been moving left, didn’t come from the North.
This mythology is used by the left to bash modern day Republicans by suggesting the preponderance of Jim Crow supporting pigs were conservatives, and is bought into by Southerners who like to pretend their region is beyond historical reproach.
Idiots, like alternate fiction author Harry Turtledove, perpetuate this garbage. In his novels were the South wins the civil war he has Lincoln living and founding the Socialist party, and Barry Goldwater is a democrat congressman. Pure nonsense. The democrats progression from rabble-rousing agrarian populists to modern day socialists, is abundantly evident.
I'm saying this, Captain, is utterly ludicrous. What "day" are you referring to ? The Democrats have been demonstrably a left-wing (Socialist) party since at least 1896 with the overthrow of the Cleveland Bourbon wing by the Altgeld/Bryan populist rabble. They've moved from Socialist to Communist in the latter half of the 20th century (especially with the post-Watergate purge of the remaining centrists).
That’s one Hell of a thesis, Impy. Well done!!!
I agree with everything you wrote, but would be remiss if I didn’t point out that the most heavily Democrat Puerto Rican voters in Central Florida *did* migrate from the North (mostly NYC, Chicago, NJ, CT and MA), while the Puerto Rico-born voters in Central Florida voted for George W. Bush in 2004, Jeb Bush in 2006, Marco Rubio in 2010 and, perhaps, Rick Scott in 2014. Regarding 2014, Charlie Crist carried the Puerto Rican vote in Florida by only 57%-40%, and surely carried the “Newyorrican” vote (which is like 25%-30% of the Central Florida Puerto Rican vote) by 80%+ if voting habits of Puerto Ricans in NYC, Chicago, NJ, CT and MA are any indication.
Thank you for for the info.
When I was growing up in Virginia and Flori-duh in the 1950s and early 60s, the South was conservative and Democrat. Republicans could not get elected. That was the “day” I was referring to.
When the Democrat Party went LIEberal, many Democrats switched parties; thus the rise of the Republican Party in the South.
Except your recollection is a bit incorrect, Captain. There were Republicans elected in Virginia and Florida at the time (even here in my state of TN, which always had 2 members from East TN from the 19th century to the present day without interruption).
Virginia elected 3 Republicans to Congress in 1952 and voted for Eisenhower. By the late ‘60s, half the delegation was GOP. Florida elected a few Republicans in that period as well and a Governor by 1966.
While SOME of the Democrats were center-right, that was not the case for all of them. Many were very big on big government expansionism, no “Conservative” position. My state of TN sent left-wing Democrats to Washington in the ‘50s and ‘60s. Senators Albert Gore, Sr. & Estes Kefauver (the 1956 VP nominee). The GOP made breakthroughs when there were enough voters that started to see the vast disconnect between their elected Democrats and their values.
But to remind you again, the Democrat party has been unquestionably the left-wing party since 1896. In your beloved Florida, William Jennings Bryan’s daughter, Ruth Bryan Owen, ran and won election to Congress (1929-33). Claude “Red” Pepper, the infamous leftist, served as Senator and Congressman on and off from 1936 until 1989. Again, NOT Conservatives. Very few Democrats of that “old school” made the switch to the GOP. Most died as Democrats.
FL’s voting demographics changed as well, though it had voted GOP for President as long ago as 1928 (for Herbert Hoover), it was the influx of Northerners (first from Illinois, which paved the way for the election of Bill Cramer in 1954 to Congress; and the latter from the Northeast, where many members have their birthplaces from NY).
Where it took longer for the GOP to make breakthroughs were lower offices (legislative/county/local), as the Democrats held onto those tightly. Most of those were held onto not for ideological reasons, but exclusively partisan ones and for maintaining power.
I’ll also lastly add that the “rise of the GOP” in the South is a complex topic. Because a huge number of reliably Republican supporters (Blacks) were wholly disenfranchised under Jim Crow and other exclusionary and illegal (under the Constitution) actions, it was the Democrats whose false majority for nearly (or more than) a century was built on a House of Cards. With full Black participation in politics, many of the Southern states would’ve been almost continuously GOP from Reconstruction onward as most Northern states were.
I stand corrected.
Illinoisans were some of the first Northerners to move to FL?
I guess Hockeyfan is in good company.
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