Sorry, but I really, really dislike the “self-hating” expression.
You will search far and wide without finding people who have a higher opinion of themselves and those who agree with them than these supposed “self-haters.” Much of their high opinion of themselves being in fact based on their hatred for America, which by definition excludes them from any inclusion in that hate.
Call them “America-hating Americans” if you like, that’s accurate. But they’re not self-hating at all.
why don’t we just call them exactly what they are. Traitors, liars and Scumbags. They make me sick!
There are four things about this whole story, which leave you with some odd reality.
First, for all this Senate control over the CIA...during this entire period...various meetings and information put forward, and the Senate never once stopped things for a moment and said we’ve got ethics and you can’t physically torture this guy? Either the Senators are totally asleep or incompetent...and by putting this report out there...they basically admit this. As bad as they make the CIA and Bush Administration look...the senate of that era looks just as bad.
Second, the military handbook for interrogations from the 1950s all the way up through most of this era...always allows some form of interrogation, but no torture. You can read up on the lessons from the WW II era and what the Nazis themselves said (physical torture gives you unreliable info). Oddly enough, the CIA (the intellectual guys) went the exact opposite way....saying that the Nazis were wrong, and they could improve upon physical torture. We have two groups with entirely different views of the end-result.
Third, once you put all of this onto paper...are you willing to hand the hundred to thousand guys over to a UN war-crimes episode? If you aren’t....you look awful foolish around the world. If you were handing them over...what state or federal law will you use to export these guys to Brussels? As these Senate intellectuals seem to always want the high-road...seems to me that some of them, by being connected to the oversight committees...would have to go onto Brussels as well, as part of the war-crimes tribunal.
Finally, I come to this odd deal of the past six years....drone executions in non-war-zones. Basically, it’s illegal too....by the UN standards. Who ordered these executions? The President. Will a Senate committee in 2015 open up a five-years investigation to determine what was done, who authorized what, and seek to publish a report in 2020 over new war-crimes for a Nobel Prize winner? Hmmm...it’d be the logical next step to take.
My general take? Three-thousand-odd Americans were tortured in a pretty quick way on 9-11, and given no real protection by anyone, by any rules of law, or human rights. No one....absolutely no one... will run up a UN commission or court on their rights violated. That says something pretty bold, in my humble opinion.
Jeffery Lord used it expressly because he ties this attitude to "Self-hating Jews." The moderator edited what I'd posted that made that clear.