Advocates fear impact of Rolling Stone apology

Houston Chronicle ^ | December 6, 2014 | ALAN SUDERMAN and FREDERIC J. FROMMER

[Politicalkiddo]

If I were a victim of sexual assault, I’d be more concerned with the fact that falsified stories undermine the impact and validity of assaults that actually occurred. Accusing innocent people of violent crime is unacceptable and should not be condoned or endorsed for any reason.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

It's been 20 years but the "youth" of this country need to be reminded about the Clintons.

Jan 26, 1992 - Clinton on Flowers [YouTube]

"“I’m sitting here because I love him and I respect him and I honor what he’s been through and what we’ve been through together. And, you know, if that’s not enough for people, then, heck, don’t vote for him.” "

Jan 26, 1998

[YouTube video]: Clinton, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman... Miss Lewinsky.

The War on Women: Juanita Broaddrick and Bill Clinton "To set the stage for why the country needs Hillary Clinton to be the next president, Democrats are trying to force-feed Americans a “war on women” pablum, when such a war--as they present it--does not exist. For the real “war on women,” however, Democrats might turn to Hillary Clinton herself and her husband, former President Bill Clinton.".......

Clinton V. Paula Jones........... "Now the efforts to discredit Jones became intense. Bennett produced Jones's original fee agreement with Daniel Traylor, the Little Rock lawyer she had first retained. In it, she had agreed to share in the profits from book deals and movie rights. Bennett also found an intermediary, an old acquaintance of Clinton's, whom Traylor had unsuccessfully asked to approach the White House for a money settlement. Jones, who has passed a lie-detector test arranged by her lawyers, now says she has no interest in profiting from the case; she has promised to give any money she wins to charity. She has turned down the usual tabloid deals, though she made $50,000 for endorsing a brand of jeans, half of which went to her lawyers.

The White House campaign was effective. "Drag a hundred dollars through a trailer park and there's no telling what you'll find," said James Carville, Clinton's colorful consultant. Even Gennifer Flowers chimed in. "It's not like Bill to pull down his pants," she declared to the New York Daily News. "He simply wouldn't have done it." The press was bemused and scornful, falling for the Clintonite spin. (NEWSWEEK'S Evan Thomas, the author of this piece, said on a Washington talk show that Jones was just "some sleazy woman with big hair coming out of the trailer parks.") This elitist attitude was widely shared by the establishment press.

In the public mind, Jones's story was by and large relegated to the right-wing fringes. In some ways, the White House spinners had won. But in the long run, they may have done their boss more harm than good. True, Bennett has been able to delay the case. When the Supreme Court agreed to review the question of presidential immunity from civil suits, the practical effect was to put the case on ice until after the November elections. Privately, Bennett said just doing this was, in his eyes, "victory." Even if the Supreme Court decides to let the case go forward, Bennett can continue to stall with various motions to dismiss. But he cannot delay pretrial discovery for the next four years.

Meanwhile, the press is waking up. The catalyst was the article that appeared in The American Lawyer by Taylor, a former legal correspondent for The New York Times. Taylor wrote that he, too, had initially dismissed Paula Jones as a gold digger. But after interviewing her girlfriends Blackard and Ballentine, he changed his mind. The evidence against Clinton was actually pretty strong--much stronger, he pointed out, than Anita Hill's charges against Clarence Thomas during the justice's confirmation hearings in 1991. Taylor accused the press of hypocrisy and class bias--of believing Hill, a Yale Law grad and a feminist, and not Jones with her big hair. Taylor's article was widely read in newsrooms and editors' offices, including those at NEWSWEEK. No one will probably ever know for sure what went on in the room at the Excelsior Hotel on that May day in 1991. But judg-ing from the available testimony, Clinton has a strong interest in not allowing a public inquisition to go forward. Depositions, even taken under court-ordered secrecy, have a way of leaking. The president's best bet may be to do what he failed to the day before the suit was filed: settle the case. It may require an apology, but the alternative seems worse.".......

[Darksheare]

But we can have women only colleges..
..and God help any man who points out the hypocrisy of it.

[Mr Ramsbotham]

Advocates for sexual-assault victims say Rolling Stone's backpedaling from an explosive account of a gang rape at the University of Virginia doesn't change the fact that rape is a problem on college campuses and must be confronted ....

If that were true, you'd think they would have had no problem finding a genuine story.

[Fresh Wind]

Quoth Rush:

“The nature of the evidence is irrelevant; it’s the seriousness of the charge that matters.”

[Cincinatus' Wife]

......”There is a marked difference between the radicals of the Sixties and the radical movement Obama is part of. In the Sixties, as radicals we said what we thought and blurted out what we wanted. We wanted a revolution, and we wanted it now. It was actually very decent of us to warn others as to what we intended. But because we blurted out our goal, we didn’t get very far. Americans were onto us. Those who remained on the left when the Sixties were over, learned from their experience. They learned to lie. The strategy of the lie is progressives’ new gospel. It is what the progressive bible — Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals — is all about. Alinsky is the acknowledged political mentor to Obama and Hillary, to the service and teacher unions, and to the progressive rank and file. Alinsky understood the mistake Sixties’ radicals had made. His message to this generation is easily summed up: Don’t telegraph your goals; infiltrate their institutions and subvert them; moral principles are disposable fictions; the end justifies the means; and never forget that your political goal is always power.

An SDS radical wrote in the Sixties: “The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution.” The Alinsky version is this: The issue is never the issue; the issue is always power: How to wring power out of the democratic process, how turn the process into an instrument of progressive control. How to use it to fundamentally transform the United States of America — which is exactly what Barack Obama warned he would do on the eve of his election.”......

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/david-horowitz/the-threat-we-face-2/

.......”In 1969, the year that publishers reissued Alinsky’s first book, Reveille for Radicals , a Wellesley undergraduate named Hillary Rodham submitted her 92-page senior thesis on Alinsky’s theories (she interviewed him personally for the project).

In her conclusion Hillary compared Alinsky to Eugene Debs, Walt Whitman and Martin Luther King. The title of Hillary’s thesis was “There Is Only the Fight: An Analysis of the Alinsky Model.” In this title she had singled out the single most important Alinsky contribution to the radical cause - his embrace of political nihilism. An SDS radical once wrote, “The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution.” In other words the cause - whether inner city blacks or women - is never the real cause, but only an occasion to advance the real cause which is the accumulation of power to make the revolution.

That was the all consuming focus of Alinsky and his radicals. Guided by Alinsky principles, post-Communist radicals are not idealists but Machiavellians. Their focus is on means rather than ends, and therefore they are not bound by organizational orthodoxies in the way their admired Marxist forebears were. Within the framework of their revolutionary agenda, they are flexible and opportunistic and will say anything (and pretend to be anything) to get what they want, which is resources and power.

The following anecdote about Alinsky’s teachings as recounted by The New Republic ’s Ryan Lizza nicely illustrates the focus of Alinsky radicalism: “When
Alinsky would ask new students why they wanted to organize, they would invariably respond with selfless bromides about wanting to help others. Alinsky would then scream back at them that there was a one-word answer: ‘You want to organize for power!”........

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/articles/rules%20for%20revolution%20%282%29.pdf

[Cincinatus' Wife]

It’s Nudity Week (Again) at Brown University -- "From naked yoga to naked open mic night, the Rhode Island Ivy’s bare-bodied extravaganza is in full swing. Caroline Linton reports.

The jokes write themselves: It’s Nudity Week at Brown University. A sampling from the roster of events: “Love Being Naked? Want to be Naked More? Want to watch others perform naked? Want to step out of your comfort zone? Want to talk about nudity?”

This is the same school, after all, that hosts the Naked Doughnut Run and the Sex, Power, God party—so it’s not really a surprise to have an entire week devoted to all things bare and in the buff.

But the organizers of “Nudity in the Upspace,” a weeklong series of events running from September 30 until October 5 at Brown University, are hoping to accomplish a far more serious goal with their nakedness. In fact, the whole point of Nudity Week, say Rebecca Wolinsky and Camila Pacheco-Fores, is to help Brown students remove their negative stereotypes about body image."........

Classroom prostitution for fun and profit? - Exclusive: Judith Reisman reveals what passes for education at Northwestern University

"On March 4, Laurie Higgens, the dauntless director of Illinois Family Institute wrote, “The burnished legacy of Alfred Kinsey and his cultural progeny, the sexual revolutionaries of the ’60s, burns bright at Northwestern University.”

In “Gettin’ Freaky at Northwestern University,” Higgens was reporting on Northwestern University’s professor Michael Bailey, who has a rather gloomy history of luring vulnerable youth into college-credit peeping!"......

[catfish1957]

Way way back, when I was a little less political, I used to subscribe to RS (late 70's), for the rock music articles.

Even back then I was struck by their play on the NYT slogan by adjusting it to "All the News that Fits". Even as a young naïve kid, I realized that meant journalistic quality and accuracy apparently was not at the top of their list.

Funny how that now also applies to the NYT too. I can remember way back also that the NYT was rightfully called the newspaper of record.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Today at Drudge [developing]

NYT PLANS WEEKEND SPREAD: HILLARY'S NEW EVOLUTION...

Paper's Peter Baker and Amy Chozick explore how past defeats have 'tempered' Clinton...

RELEASE OF 6,000 DOCUMENTS reveal Hillary's 'messy, explosive, politically clumsy dealings with Republicans and White House aides'... Developing...

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Isn’t it interesting how universities are paying Hillary $200K+ per speech? — funneling all that money into her pocket?

Back in July the Washington Post wrote [Hillary’s made many more speeches since July]:

“At least eight universities, including four public institutions, have paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for Hillary Rodham Clinton to speak on their campuses over the past year, sparking a backlash from some student groups and teachers at a time of austerity in higher education.....

....Officials at those five schools refused to say what they paid Clinton. But if she earned her standard fee of $200,000 or more, that would mean she took in at least $1.8 million in speaking income from universities in the past nine months.

Since stepping down as secretary of state in early 2013, Clinton has given dozens of paid speeches to industry conventions and Wall Street banks. But Clinton’s acceptance of high fees for university visits has drawn particularly sharp criticism, with some students and academic officials saying the expenditures are a poor use of funds at a time of steep tuition hikes and budget cuts across higher education.”.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-time-of-austerity-eight-universities-spent-top-dollar-on-hillary-clinton-speeches/2014/07/02/cf1d1070-016a-11e4-b8ff-89afd3fad6bd_story.html

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Clinton benefactor and bag man at the ready when this story broke:

Nov 20, 2014: After Rolling Stone Article on UVA, Gov. McAuliffe Releases Statement "RICHMOND, Va. (WRIC) - After a graphic article outlining a young woman's sexual assault in 2012 was published by Rolling Stone Magazine, Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe is weighing in the controversy surrounding the University of Virginia.

The statement reads: "I was deeply disturbed to read about the sexual assault allegations outlined in Rolling Stone magazine. Sexual violence is a nationwide problem, and it is critical that our schools acknowledge that this is a pervasive issue and take bold action to end it.

"Earlier today, I spoke to the university leadership and conveyed my deep concerns with what has been reported. We are in agreement that a full and fair investigation must be pursued, and I have called for a zero tolerance strategy to combat campus sexual assault. I have asked university officials to conduct a full review of all of their policies and procedures and if decided, to bring in outside experts to assist in this effort.

"We must also find ways that our local law enforcement and prosecution efforts can better align with university actions. Earlier this year, I signed Executive Order 25 establishing the Governor's Task Force on Combating Campus Sexual Violence, sending a message that Virginia will not tolerate sexual violence on our campuses or in our communities. Now is the time to act - we must ensure that survivors are treated with the dignity and respect they deserve, and we must do more to hold perpetrators accountable.

"As the parents of five children, this is an issue Dorothy and I care deeply about. I look forward to seeing strong recommendations from the task force that will help keep more Virginians safe and ensure that our students are free from the threat of sexual violence."

Police have upped patrols in the area near the fraternity house accused of being involved in a violent rape alleged in a Rolling Stone article.

Windows were broken and messages were spray painted on the wall of the fraternity, reading, "suspend us," among other things.

"A Rape On Campus: A Brutal Assault and Struggle For Justice at UVa." tells the story of a young woman who recounts an attack in 2012 and its disturbing aftermath.".....

[Altura Ct.]

A hoax you say?

[Cincinatus' Wife]

It's the Chicago Way:

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."

[Cincinatus' Wife]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/how-rolling-stone-failed-in-its-story-of-alleged-rape-at-the-university-of-virginia/2014/12/05/169764a0-7cae-11e4-84d4-7c896b90abdc_story.html?tid=hpModule_1f58c93a-8a7a-11e2-98d9-3012c1cd8d1e

“.....Rolling Stone magazine, it appears, ignored both principles in its explosive story, “A Rape on Campus.”

The 9,000-word article about Jackie, a University of Virginia freshman who alleged a frat-house gang rape, was apparently fraught from the beginning with gaps in basic reporting. The story’s writer, Sabrina Rubin Erdely, as well as a phalanx of editors, fact-checkers and lawyers who massaged the piece before publication, accepted Jackie’s account without locking down key details that would have confirmed, or at least plausibly substantiated, her harrowing tale.’......

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Award-winning freelance magazine journalist

“Sabrina Rubin Erdely is an award-winning feature writer and investigative journalist, and a Contributing Editor at Rolling Stone. Her work has also appeared in SELF, GQ, Philadelphia, The New Yorker, Mother Jones, Glamour and Men’s Health, among other national magazines. Her articles have been anthologized in Best American Magazine Writing and have received a number of awards, including two National Magazine Award nominations.

Erdely specializes in long-form narrative writing, especially about crime, health and social issues. She has written about con artists, murder investigations, vicious divorces, power brokers, lovable eccentrics, bioweapons, cults, sexual violence, medical ethics, hackers, LGBT issues, and teachers who have affairs with students—among other subjects.”

http://www.sabrinaerdely.com/

[Darksheare]

Yeah.
Reminds me of tales of towns impoverishing themselves to shower wealth upon perfumed nobility to curry favor.

[Darksheare]

Wouldn’t fit their preconceived notions.
They’d find a near equal amount of women acting as sex predators among the real cases, which goes counter to their agenda but actually fits the results of their degeneration of morals in general.
Seriously, would you have even heard of women sexually assaulting men years ago?
Happens these days, thanks to liberals.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Like the “Clinton Global Initiative” Slush Fund.

Dec 5, 2014: “....The British Embassy also announced that Prince William will attend a reception on wildlife conservation next week in New York, co-hosted by The Royal Foundation and the Clinton Foundation. Former secretary of State Hillary Clinton and daughter Chelsea Clinton are both expected to attend.”

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/226134-prince-william-to-visit-white-house

[Cincinatus' Wife]

“.....Psi Kappa Psi, the fraternity in whose house the assault allegedly took place, disputed the Rolling Stone story in a statement released Friday.

They said that they had never had a member who was a campus lifeguard. Jackie said that she had met the man who orchestrated the assault while they both worked at the pool.

The fraternity also said that they had not hosted a social function on the night Jackie said she was assaulted.

The Post reported that the student Jackie named as being behind the attack had said he was not a member of Psi Kappa Psi. He confirmed to the newspaper that he had worked at the university pool during that time, and said he was familiar with Jackie’s name. He claimed to have never met Jackie.

“He never said he was in Phi Psi,” Jackie told the paper in one of her interviews with the paper, but said she was positive that the alleged assault had occurred at the fraternity’s house.

The actions of Rolling Stone’s reporter, Sabrina Rubin Erdely, were called into question Friday — as were decisions made by her editors.

The magazine said that, at the request of the student, they had not contacted the men she said had raped her.

The Post also reported that Jackie had asked Erdely to take her account out of the story after talking with the reporter became overwhelming. The student said that Erdely refused but allowed her to fact-check the parts of the piece that included Jackie’s account.

The student told the Post that she felt manipulated by Erdely.

Rolling Stone did not address these allegations in its statement.......”

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/226154-magazine-backs-away-uva-sexual-assault-story

[sr4402]

What Difference Does it Make if she GETS HER FACT WRONG!

[Cincinatus' Wife]

True.

The state media will follow her lead.