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Legal Pot In The U.S. May Be Undercutting Mexican Marijuana
NPR ^ | December 01, 2014 | John Burnett

Posted on 12/03/2014 12:03:43 PM PST by ConservingFreedom

Made-in-America marijuana is on a roll. More than half the states have now voted to permit pot for recreational or medical use, most recently Oregon and Alaska. That number also includes the District of Columbia. As a result, Americans appear to be buying more domestic marijuana, which in turn is undercutting growers and cartels in Mexico.

"Two or three years ago, a kilogram [2.2 pounds] of marijuana was worth $60 to $90," says Nabor, a 24-year-old pot grower in the northwestern Mexican state of Sinaloa. "But now they're paying us $30 to $40 a kilo. It's a big difference. If the U.S. continues to legalize pot, they'll run us into the ground."

Nabor declines to give his surname because his crop is illegal. The interview takes place on a hillside outside Culiacan, Sinaloa, located in Mexico's marijuana heartland. We stand next to a field of knee-high cannabis plants, their serrated leaves quivering in a warm Pacific breeze. The plot is on communal land next to rows of edible nopal cactus.

He kneels and proudly shows me the resinous buds on the short, stocky plants. This strain, called Chronic, is a favorite among growers for its easy cultivation, fast flowering and mood-lifting high. Nabor, who says he has grown marijuana since he was 14, says the plants do not belong to him.

"My patrón pays me $150 a month, but I have to plant it exactly the way he wants," he says. "He provides the water pump, gasoline, irrigation hoses, fertilizer, everything."

An Army Of Small-Scale Growers

There's an image of Mexican traffickers with shiny pickups, fancy boots and shapely girlfriends. But Nabor says most people who grow marijuana for the Sinaloa cartel are just campesinos like him.

He drives a motorcycle, and supports a wife and two kids. He says he grows pot to supplement his other work, which consists of collecting firewood and raising cactus. He says everybody plants a little marijuana here. Marijuana plants in Culiacan, Sinaloa, in Mexico's marijuana heartland. Prices are about half of what they were a few years ago, according to some growers.

"This is dangerous work to cultivate it and to sell it. If the army comes, you have to run or they'll grab you. Look here, we're only getting $40 a kilo. The day we get $20 a kilo, it will get to the point that we just won't plant marijuana anymore."

The slumping economics of Mexican marijuana was not unexpected.

Two years ago, the Mexican Institute of Competitiveness, in a study titled "If Our Neighbors Legalize," predicted the drug cartels would see their cannabis profits plummet 22 to 30 percent if the United States continued to decriminalize marijuana.

At one time, virtually all the weed smoked in the States, from Acapulco Gold to Colombian Red, came from south of the border.

Not anymore.

"We're still seeing marijuana. But it's almost all the homegrown stuff here from the States and from Canada. It's just not the compressed marijuana from Mexico that we see," says Lt. David Socha, of the Austin Police Department narcotics section.

Socha's observation is confirmed by the venerable journal of the marijuana culture, High Times Magazine.

"American pot smokers prefer American domestically grown marijuana to Mexican grown marijuana. We've seen a ton of evidence of this in the last decade or so," says Daniel Vinkovetsky, who writes under the pen name Danny Danko. He is senior cultivation editor at High Times and author of The Official High Times Field Guide to Marijuana Strains.

U.S. domestic marijuana, some of it cultivated in high-tech greenhouses, is three or four times more expensive than Mexican marijuana. Vinkovetsky says prices for Mexican weed continue to slide because it's so much weaker.

He says American cannabis typically has 10 to 20 percent THC — the ingredient that makes a person high — whereas the THC content of so-called Mexican brickweed is typically 3 to 8 percent.

"Mexican marijuana is considered to be of poor quality generally because it's grown in bulk, outdoors; it's typically dried but not really cured, which is something we do here in the U.S. with connoisseur-quality cannabis," he says. "And it's also bricked up, meaning that it's compressed, for sale and packaging and in order to get it over the border efficiently."

Reversing The Flow

To service the U.S. market, police agencies report some Mexican crime groups grow marijuana in public lands in the West.

And there's a new intriguing development.

DEA spokesman Lawrence Payne tells NPR that Sinaloa operatives in the United States are reportedly buying high-potency American marijuana in Colorado and smuggling it back into Mexico for sale to high-paying customers.

"It makes sense," Payne says. "We know the cartels are already smuggling cash into Mexico. If you can buy some really high-quality weed here, why not smuggle it south, too, and sell it at a premium?"

The big question is whether the loss of market share is actually hurting the violent Mexican drug mafias.

"The Sinaloa cartel has demonstrated in many instances that it can adapt. I think it's in a process of redefinition toward marijuana," says Javier Valdez, a respected journalist and author who writes books on the narcoculture in Sinaloa.

Valdez says he's heard through the grapevine that marijuana planting has dropped 30 percent in the mountains of Sinaloa. But he says the Sinaloa cartel is old school — it sticks to drugs, even as other cartels, such as the Zetas of Tamaulipas state, have branched out into kidnapping and extortion.

"I believe that now, because of the changes they're having to make because of marijuana legalization in the U.S., the cartel is pushing more cocaine, meth and heroin. They're diversifying," Valdez says.

Back in the hills above Culiacan, Nabor is asked, if prices for marijuana continue declining, what will he do?

"My dream is to get a good job, a regular job," he says, "where I don't have to do such dangerous work; a job that pays me a living wage."

When the interview is over, and the recorder is turned off, and we're about to drive back to the highway, Nabor quietly says he thinks he's done with marijuana. He's considering planting opium poppies, because that's where the market is going.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bust; cannabis; marijuana; pot; wod
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1 posted on 12/03/2014 12:03:43 PM PST by ConservingFreedom
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To: ConservingFreedom

The obvious solution is to require Mexico to take one American pothead for every illegal we take.


2 posted on 12/03/2014 12:05:55 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Good. Marijuana is how cartels make the bulk of their bucks.


3 posted on 12/03/2014 12:08:28 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: ConservingFreedom

In a Publius Essay I wrote back in 1999, I predicted that by 2007 it would be perceived as patriotic for Americans to smoke American weed and contribute to the tax base. I was off by 7 years.


4 posted on 12/03/2014 12:09:00 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

That was inevitable. The mark-up at various steps in the distribution process for white markets is always less than the black market markup, which let’s the white market undercut the black. Wait until it’s legal in enough states for the tobacco companies to finally enter the market, RJR, Winston-Salem and Phillip-Reynolds will crush the black market, and a lot of the currently emerging white market.


5 posted on 12/03/2014 12:11:57 PM PST by discostu (The albatross begins with its vengeance A terrible curse a thirst has begun)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Will there next be a pot war? Something they will need to hash out???


6 posted on 12/03/2014 12:12:08 PM PST by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Jonty30

Unfortunately, the story says they are compensating for the loss by pushing more heroin, coke, and meth.


7 posted on 12/03/2014 12:14:58 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Jonty30

I think the Mexican cartels make more money on human smuggling. At $5,000 to $10,000 per head they are going to make mega billions bringing people here for 0bama’s amnesty. The same cartels that smuggle drugs also smuggle people.


8 posted on 12/03/2014 12:17:21 PM PST by forgotten man
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To: A_perfect_lady
Unfortunately, the story says they are compensating for the loss by pushing more heroin, coke, and meth.

That'll lower retail prices and thus the amount of crime committed in order to pay those prices - another piece of good news.

9 posted on 12/03/2014 12:21:39 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Publius
In a Publius Essay I wrote back in 1999, I predicted that by 2007 it would be perceived as patriotic for Americans to smoke American weed and contribute to the tax base. I was off by 7 years.

I fail to see where in this article it backs your prediction. Patriotic was not given as an reason as far as I could tell.

10 posted on 12/03/2014 12:23:15 PM PST by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Who says America can’t produce anything anymore?


11 posted on 12/03/2014 12:25:00 PM PST by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!",)
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To: discostu

I think legal grass will be like legal casino gambling.
Way too lucrative a revenue source for state legislatures to pass up.


12 posted on 12/03/2014 12:25:48 PM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, Convict, Deport)
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To: ConservingFreedom

I believe that smoking MJ causes people people to vote ( and think ) Liberal progressive / Leftist . We end up with people like Obama in office . We end up with kids coming out of their educational years , both stoners and Leftists , due to the indoctrination from their pot smoking Leftists profs .
Am I wrong ?

If not , then there is no greater argument against smoking MJ

Time will also show that life long MJ use results in early onset of dementia / senility .


13 posted on 12/03/2014 12:28:26 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: nascarnation
I think legal grass will be like legal casino gambling.
Way too lucrative a revenue source for state legislatures to pass up.

And why should they? A tax one can avoid by not buying the taxed product beats a tax one can't avoid.

14 posted on 12/03/2014 12:31:00 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: LeoWindhorse
I believe that smoking MJ causes people people to vote ( and think ) Liberal progressive / Leftist . We end up with people like Obama in office . We end up with kids coming out of their educational years , both stoners and Leftists , due to the indoctrination from their pot smoking Leftists profs .
Am I wrong ?

If not , then there is no greater argument against smoking MJ

Why not cut out the middleman and ban leftism?

Time will also show that life long MJ use results in early onset of dementia / senility .

Like regular lifelong drinking.

15 posted on 12/03/2014 12:32:54 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Publius

The way things are going, my prediction is that the stars and stripes of the American flag will be replaced by marijuana leaves and anuses. To more accurately symbolize the paramount, defining issues of our modern American society in all all its worthless, pathetic glory... dope and faggotry.


16 posted on 12/03/2014 12:32:58 PM PST by greene66
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To: ConservingFreedom
"My dream is to get a good job, a regular job," he says, "where I don't have to do such dangerous work; a job that pays me a living wage."

Typically a job pays you what you're worth, not what you think you need....such as a "living wage" - which is just liberal nonsense.

17 posted on 12/03/2014 12:33:24 PM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: A_perfect_lady

Absolutely.

The reports of the Mexican Cartels and their trillion dollar industry are well documented.

If anyone believes legalization will harm and reduce the cost benefits to the cartels; then I have a bridge to sell them.

Mexicans will either undercut the price of legal (taxed) weed, or branch out into other more dangerous drugs.

Or both.


18 posted on 12/03/2014 12:33:31 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: ConservingFreedom

You may be correct. I have a difficult time deciding on the whole legal grass question. Good arguments on both sides.


19 posted on 12/03/2014 12:34:34 PM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, Convict, Deport)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Mexicans will either undercut the price of legal (taxed) weed,

Read the article - their product is inferior. (Go USA!)

or branch out into other more dangerous drugs.

They can't create demand for those drugs by an act of will.

20 posted on 12/03/2014 12:36:03 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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