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1 posted on 12/02/2014 11:56:41 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I support the Jones Act.

I want jobs kept in America. We have too much outsourcing already.

Jeopardizing America’s ports, indeed.


2 posted on 12/02/2014 12:00:02 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Kaslin

It also costs in moving oil from Texas coast to other states getting oil from the Middle East or other overseas locations.


3 posted on 12/02/2014 12:01:22 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: Kaslin

Does Mr. Meyer work for the Chinese Communist government?


11 posted on 12/02/2014 12:07:46 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Kaslin

PS, Mr. Meyer is free to move to the Third World Corruptocracy of his liking. He’ll find things quite cheap there. Perhaps he can write anti-American screeds from there, ship them over the internet to one of the high value countries. Since his noise will be meaningless and valueless in Nowhereistan, it’s the only way to keep himself from having to work for starvation wages where he is.

No one is holding him back from leaving.


16 posted on 12/02/2014 12:12:53 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Kaslin

I had to go and refresh my memory on this...
WIKI SEZ:
“...The Merchant Marine Act of 1920, also known as “The Jones Act”,
is a United States federal statute that provides for
the promotion and maintenance of the American merchant marine.
Among other purposes, the law regulates maritime commerce
in U.S. waters and between U.S. ports.
Section 27 of the Jones Act, deals with “cabotage” (domestic port-to-port coastal shipping)
and requires that all goods transported by water between U.S. ports
be carried on U.S.-flag ships, constructed in the United States,
owned by U.S. citizens, and crewed by U.S. citizens and U.S. permanent residents.
The Act was introduced by Senator Wesley Jones (R-WA).
Laws similar to the Jones Act date to the early days of the nation.
In the First Congress, on September 1, 1789, Congress enacted Chapter XI,
“An Act for Registering and Clearing Vessels, Regulating the Coasting Trade,
and for other purposes,” which limited domestic trades to American ships
meeting certain requirements...”


19 posted on 12/02/2014 12:15:14 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Kaslin

Why don’t we just have China carry all our commerce? They’d probably do it for less than half the cost. Gee, what a cool idea? BTW, are you a shill for the Pacific Maritime Association?


20 posted on 12/02/2014 12:17:40 PM PST by navyblue (<u> Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Kaslin; All

Remember, regardless of Congress’s impressive track record for making constitutionally complaint laws (sarc), all federal laws need to be checked against Congress’s constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers.

Regarding U.S. ports for example, are these federal ports purchased under the Constitution’s Clause 17 of Section 8 of Article I?

Also, if U.S. ships (and what is a U.S. ship defined as?) transport goods between two ports in the same state, I don’t see how the Constitution’s Commerce Clause (1.8.3) would apply.

On the other hand, if the ports are in different states then all bets are off.

Otherwise, what am I overlooking?


26 posted on 12/02/2014 12:24:46 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Kaslin

Apples and oranges. The slowdown in the ports are due to the longshoremen and then obsolence of the port facilities. The Jones Act doesn’t have anything to do with either of those.


29 posted on 12/02/2014 12:31:12 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Kaslin

The NLRA is the problem, not the Jones Act. Thank FDR for that.


31 posted on 12/02/2014 12:33:34 PM PST by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama's America)
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To: Kaslin

I read the Wiki article. Your piece leaves out tons of needed information like:

The American shipbuilding industry is booming right now. Wonder why that was left out?

The GAO says that any potential damages are unmeasurable and can’t be proven.

The Jones Act was updated as recently as 2006.

Ships can apply for and get waivers.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_Marine_Act_of_1920


34 posted on 12/02/2014 12:41:07 PM PST by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: Kaslin
To highlight the absurdity of this law, consider goods being shipped from Japan to the Hawaii. Foreign ships must pass Hawaii on their way to San Francisco, so an American ship can take that cargo and bring it back to Hawaii.

That's simply not true. Foreign ships may, in fact, take cargo directly to Hawaii. Most large container ships do not do that, though, and instead bring it to the West Coast, where it is then shipped back to Hawaii by U.S. shippers. But that's not required by the Jones Act - it is simply because it makes more economic sense for the foreign shipper to unload all of its cargo in a West Coast port, rather than stopping in Hawaii on the way to drop off a small portion of its cargo.

36 posted on 12/02/2014 12:42:57 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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Why would Asian ships bringing goods to Hawaii have to drop it in San Francisco? Asia to Hawaii isn’t between two U.S. ports. And prohibiting foreign vessels from helping us out with the gulf coast oil spill was just bonehead stupid, Obama sucking up to the Commies, er, unions. Where were his executive orders when all that was happening?


37 posted on 12/02/2014 12:43:54 PM PST by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
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To: Kaslin

Want energy independence? Waive the Jones Act
http://www.aei.org/publication/want-energy-independence-waive-the-jones-act/

Because there isn’t enough pipeline or rail capacity to handle the enormous quantities of unconventional oil being produced in North America — much of it oil-sands crude from Alberta and “tight oil” from the Bakken shale formation in North Dakota – the oil must be transported by a fleet of tankers and barges to mid-Atlantic refineries that can process it. But there aren’t enough vessels to ship the oil due to the Jones Act – which requires that all cargoes transported between U.S. ports be carried on U.S.-owned ships, built and registered in the U.S., and manned by U.S. crews.

Thanks to this protectionist statute, there is now a glut of sweet crude at Gulf ports, which has caused a backup that could start to slow oil production in North Dakota and at the Eagle Ford shale in south Texas.


39 posted on 12/02/2014 12:48:05 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: Kaslin

I believe this act is the reason cruise ships have to stop in Canada on their way to Anchorage from Seattle. How it helps American business is anyone’s guess.


40 posted on 12/02/2014 12:58:06 PM PST by sportutegrl
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To: Kaslin

Do we REALLY want NAFTA of the Sea?


44 posted on 12/02/2014 1:44:38 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin

The “We Love Big Government Protectionism Club” at Free Republic is quite popular.


45 posted on 12/02/2014 2:02:12 PM PST by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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To: Kaslin

The West Coast longshoreman slow down has nothing what so ever to do with the Jones Act.

The article reads like a Hands Up Don’t Shoot sponsor.


47 posted on 12/02/2014 2:50:49 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Kaslin
Imagine how expensive flying would be if only planes constructed in the United States, owned by U.S. citizens, and crewed by U.S. permanent residents could transport goods and people between American cities? Or, what if all trains had to be built in the United States and all taxis had to be U.S.-made and owned and operated by U.S. permanent residents?

These all sound like pretty good ideas to me.

53 posted on 12/02/2014 4:07:15 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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China will hall build a huge port facility in Mexico and use Mexican trucks to ship to the US and Canada. LA, Long Beach and Seattle will lose 75% of their business.


54 posted on 12/02/2014 4:09:52 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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