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1 posted on 11/25/2014 1:31:53 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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We would be hard pressed to repeat the 91 gulf war today.


2 posted on 11/25/2014 1:36:32 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Great article, VERY informative read! Thanks for posting, 2nd!!!


3 posted on 11/25/2014 1:39:58 PM PST by piytar (No government has ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason.)
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Good post!

Their basic goal is to eject the US Navy from the South and East China Seas in order to secure their sea lanes.

When you total up the number of islets and reefs they're building up, it's eye-opening; it's not just 3, or 5, or 10.

In many ways the China of today is the Japan of the 1930's.

Eventually, this is something that might involve us. :(

5 posted on 11/25/2014 1:40:32 PM PST by gaijin
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The Chinese and Russians have the severe disadvantage of being “war-less” for too long. All that pretty shiny stuff is great unless it doesn’t survive combat.
People have been dismantling Soviet hardware for a long time in different places. The Chinese don’t even know if they can get their military to battle because they haven’t done it since they fought Vietnam in the late 70’s(except for the India dustup).


8 posted on 11/25/2014 1:44:46 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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The Iraqi Army had ‘’more battle experience’’? Oh, so fighting and winning two world wars and having the largest and most powerful military and navy, the ‘’battle experience’’ and ‘’technical sophistication'' of the Iraqi Army showed itself how? By digging itself and it's armor into the ground and getting blown to bits? Who writes this nonsense?
10 posted on 11/25/2014 2:04:24 PM PST by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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I wonder if the Chinese learned that settling for a cease-fire rather than completing the job, when you have the upper hand,
will lead to more war,
which will lead to the MSM vilifying your son,

which will result in a new leader with no relevant experience whose only desire is to act on a radical political agenda that will set your country back to third world status


11 posted on 11/25/2014 2:06:37 PM PST by kidd (What we have now is the federal gruberment)
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Well written.

However, when he wrote; “While the Gulf War did not demonstrate that deep strike could decisively win modern wars, it undoubtedly did show that long-range precision strike could help disrupt enemy operations, and even seriously attrite fielded enemy forces.”. . .he was wrong, deeply wrong.

The strategic air campaign was never about attriting fielded forces. We didn't do a body count. Estimates ran up to 30,000 enemy troops killed but we don't know. A body count was not a measure of effectiveness. Drop a single bridge and you effectively isolated/removed enemy forces from the battle because they could not move. . .they were essentially 'dead.' Blow up fuel, pull the power and the army dies in place. . .they become combat ineffective. Body count, not a factor. Body count is interesting but look for weak points, centers of gravity that if hit properly, the effect is way beyond the tactical (body count) value.

Col John Warden and his Center of Gravity (CoG) ‘Five Rings” strategic targeting theory was employed and devastating. . .the strategic air campaign destroyed the Iraqi forces ability to:
1) Command troops (destroyed communication nodes, senior leadership isolated and muted)
2) Operate on the battlefield (hitting decisive points to knock out lines of communication, dropped bridges, closed highways, interrupted supply and maneuver avenues from the highest levels to the tactical level)
3) Support fielded forces (Can't communicate with them, can[t resupply them, can't organize them. . .it's over).

The deep strike part of the Gulf War, the strategic air campaign, was instrumental in winning the war decisively and quickly as we did. Without it we still would have won but at a much higher cost and taken much longer. The strategic air campaign (deep strike), the 42-day strategic air campaign was highly effective and that was why we waited before the ground war—we were knocking the stuffing out of them and they could not move (no gas, not order, no clue) and dies in place, and those that stayed in place died as well.

The unclassified Gulf War Air Power Study (GWAPS) details how effective the technology we had was, but most importantly, it diagrammed why the strategic (deep strike) air campaign was so effective.

Bottom line: The deep strike (strategic air campaign) DID demonstrate that deep strike could decisively win modern wars. I submit that Gulf War I was the first time in history air power was the primary fire with ground forces supporting. This in no way is meant to insult or minimize the ground war--I was in it as a FAC--I am just saying the ground part supporting the air campaign, that the air campaign did more that 'disrupt' enemy operations. . .it stopped effective enemy operations.

15 posted on 11/25/2014 2:49:17 PM PST by Hulka
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Cuz I was there !

Boo Yah ! They better be skeered !!

Come at them like a spider monkey I will :)

24 posted on 11/25/2014 5:05:46 PM PST by onona (Obama's entire term reads like a John Semmens post.)
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Bump

They learned much and adjusted.


30 posted on 11/25/2014 10:11:25 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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The Chinese have one major asset that is a major obstacle for the US military. They do not care one whit about the human toll, nor do they have to worry about controlling public opinion. We have to kow-tow to every Leftist extremist with column space... and we have to, at all times, minimize the loss of human life, on both sides, military and civilian.

In a direct conflict, these facts will lead to many many more millions dead than necessary.

38 posted on 11/26/2014 7:21:45 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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The Russians also learned a lot from that war, even though the USSR collapsed shortly afterword.

This is even though the Iraqi army was mostly consisted of monkey model equipment for their Republican Guards (stripped down t-72’s and MiG 29’s). The rest of the Iraqi army used 1960’s era equipment at that time, with some soldiers carrying Mosin Nagant rifles, STG44’s and PPsh’s!


45 posted on 11/27/2014 9:16:54 AM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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