Posted on 11/25/2014 1:31:53 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
“Do you think China has empire plans in the future?”
Without a doubt.
And The Zero is helping them. . .
5.56mm
Digging in didn’t work as I spointed out. He felt the same sort of war he had with Iran, i.e., head-to-head fight, was what we would do. . .he was an idiot.
Boo Yah ! They better be skeered !!
Come at them like a spider monkey I will :)
Yeah, Saddam was screwed. In addition to sheer tactical and qualitative superiority of US weaponry, training, and logistics was the intelligence gathering. The total penetration of Saddam’s C^3 and security infrastructure allowed the US to know everything he was up to. This was then was followed by a psyops campaign that convinced him the invasion would come from the sea in a marine beach landing. He was totally pantsed by Schartzkopf’s end-run from the west.
It was the most lopsided battle since Hitler’s Operation Barbarossa into Poland. Events were hitting Saddam so fast inside of his OODA loop that he didn’t know which way was up.
Yes, but the statement as made was NOT inaccurate. Just immaterial.
You think that we have lost generations of good people in combat in the last 40 years?
Isn’t the real total for 40 years of combat about 11,000? Under Reagan, we averaged 2200 GIs dying a year while in service.
Bump
They learned much and adjusted.
All five of them. Right?
And each of them probably would have had 2 or three kids.
But that’s ok. As long as the 2,200 aren’t your kids.
But oil is cheap. And the Middle East is tranquil. So it’s all good.
Well my son didn’t die when he was in the Army during that 40 year span, nor did my brothers or me during that time.
Twenty two hundred of us were dying a year under Reagan, without combat, while all of the combat losses since 1974 total about 11,000.
You are a good peacenik, too bad you missed the 60s.
Just think, the world would have been so perfect if America weren’t so mean to the Soviet Union and the commies and Muslims.
But that’s ok. As long as the 2,200 aren’t your kids.
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Our highway system claims many more lives.
I did not miss the sixties.
My point isn’t a peacenik point of view.
My point is that I think the U.S. government wastes a lot of resources in defense of things that are not in our interests.
Your casual dismissal of our military dead indicates a real flaw in the logic around here. The folks on this site wave their flags and get hardons about sending our troops in the blow the bastards up.
Except we have been blowing the wrong bastards up for the wrong reasons.
Our military presence around the world, at the same time we are spending and printing money, is not a sustainable model. We would be better served having a military to defend our country, not the oil producing Arabs who screw us over every ten minutes.
But, you all like the TV shows, the videos, and war drums. It makes you feel like the great warriors of a generation of past; it makes you feel like the years spent in uniform were really worthwhile because if you don’t you realize you were fighting not for YOUR freedom but for the freedom of the house of Saud and the folks trying to get the rare earth elements out of the Afghan mountains.
But, you can rest assured—those chickens are going to come home to roost. And when they do you are going to be sitting around like all of those old fat commits with medals buttoned on their suit coats. With little else to show for it.
Thank you my FRiend! I am in as good health as could be expected and very thankful for it.
The good Lord blesses us all with many experiences in life. Some very pleasant and others more difficult. We cannot chose precisely what experiences come along...but we can all choose how we react to them.
I choose to look on these hardships as a blessings, and they have taught me a lot...and put me in a position where I have been able to help others. The love in our family (which has always ben strong) has increased.
All of that is stuff we get to take with us.
As to China. They are building up rapidly and using the funds from our trade imbalance to do so. They are not stupid and they would not be a “push over.” A lot of people thought that about Japan before World War II. While we did defeat them, and ultimately, very soundly, we lost a hundred thousand personnel against them with almost ten times that number wounded.
We also lost untold ships, aircraft, and other equipment, bases, etc.
We need to be vigilant and we desperately need to stop sending money to our enemies, either in trade imbalances or especially foreign aide. we also need to stop wasting hundreds of billions on proven ineffective welfare programs that are only meant to make subservient people out of those who get hooked on them, and instead, unlock the job creation capabilities of the American free market.
Oh well...you know all of these things...hehehe, it’s for the lurkers.
Bravo Zulu! and God’s speed.
I haven’t casually dismissed the deaths of the GI’s I and my son and brothers served with, so you can drop that lie and examine why you would try to make it in the first place.
I honor their sacrifice, you are the one who dishonors them with the usual peacenik view of thinking that the world would be fine since 1974 without their point of view, and their sacrifice while putting their own lives on the line in support of it.
You even mock their and we veterans patriotism and intelligence as you describe us all as gullible fools and tools.
You were a Lieutenant in the military that you mock and insult?
In a direct conflict, these facts will lead to many many more millions dead than necessary.
I am not insulting anyone.
Tell me a military action since Vietnam that was in the national security interest of the US—with the single exception of the attacks in Afghanistan in 2001-02.
You are the one that equated the deaths of our soldiers to those killed in traffic accidents. I think dismissing their deaths as less than those of mostly drunk idiots is an insult to the dead soldiers.
What I am saying is that you appear to be unable to step back from your service—which I do respect and honor—to see how the governments of the US have used military force.
Young men have been put in harms way for nothing that constituted a threat. And even in the cases where we were attacking a threat, we turned it into an occupation so that their girls could go to school? Are you kidding me?
We should use our massive and superior force, destroy the enemy threat and go home.
Instead we waste our monetary and physical resources trying to convert savages who haven’t changed their view of the world since BEFORE the dark ages.
Other countries have strong economies because our military has been stationed there to protect them. It is time to bring them home. It is time to let the Arabs defend their own homes. It is time for Germany to step up. It is time for South Korea and Japan to step up.
If we do not do that, we will be faced with a massive conflict and we will not be able to really secure our true national interest. Lets go back to the premise of my original comment. I think this nation would have been better off not engaging in a lot of the crap we’ve found ourselves involved in. Our forces would be well trained, well equipped and our national economy would be much healthier.
Why does anyone questioning the application of US forces get called unpatriotic?
I am well aware of the sacrifices of the individual soldiers, their families, and the dangers they face. I absolutely and unequivocally support the member of the US Armed Forces.
Soldiers, sailors, Aircrew and Marines go where they are told and do what they are ordered to do. Anyone criticizing the application of that force and indeed criticizes the individuals, does not have an understanding of how stuff works. I understand how it works.
I do not support the application of that force. And the nation would be a better place if we were more thoughtful about where we sent them, how we limit them, and what we do after we win the battle.
So, if you are unable to make that distinction, I have to question your basic understanding of how things work.
You introduced the war less Russians........
Given the topic of what was learned by study of Gulf War, have the Chinese learned they are not the equal of the Russians in training and weapons?
I think war between china and Russia is more likely than either with the USA
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