Posted on 11/12/2014 10:59:39 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
One of the major problems with voting in RINOs, is that it blocks a good Conservative for at least eight years.
At the end of eight years you’ve got a 50/50 or less chance of getting one in, because the public sometimes wants a change in parties.
We put Bush in. Then Oboma came along. In 2000 many of us said that if we put Bush in, it could be sixteen years before we would get another chance to get a real Conservative in.
2016 is coming, and the next probably chance to get a Conservative after that, may very well be 2032.
That’s how bad even a guy like Bush can kill your chances.
And I hate to say this because it will tweak folks, but look at what people were willing to buy into, with the economy tanking like it did under Bush.
Compared to Romney or McCain, Bush was a saint. None the less, look how bad his eight years hurt us.
He did some good things too, but subsequent to him, look what we wound up with.
Obama, McCain, or Romney...
We can’t keep electing marginal or worse RINOs.
I also think they will do it regardless of this election or what we want. But I ALSO think that what happens after they do will determine if we continue as America or not. Because I could see abut a week of frozen shell shock before people actually start realizing what happened and then the anger unleashed might just result in massive backpedaling.
Might. Maybe.
On the other hand, I could also see complete cowardace ruling the day.
It very well could lead to open rebellion. JMHO.
If we don’t stop amnesty, this nation is done for, and politicians won’t matter. Chain migration will give us 80 million illiterate, unskilled welfare slobs. BUH BYE.
If it don’t, it’s over.
I agree. And I don’t care what name they think up to pass it either.
The census figures for 2000 were revised in 2001. At that time the census calculated there were nine million illegals in country. They had accumulated here since around 1990, when Reagan’s amnesty ended.
How could only two more million more illegals come over the border in the subsequent 14 years? I say this recalling that after Bush’s amnesty talk when he ran for office, the illegal crossings exploded.
That’s why I address elevated numbers.
If each illegal only brings over five people on average, and those get the bring over another five, and those get to bring over another five... in under twenty years you have a massive wave of people.
You can apply for citizenship after six years. Give a year for the transition, then a new wave of chain immigrants. Six years and repeat.
It gets real messy.
Yup. As Don Meredith sang, “Turn out the lights, the party’s over.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A23snMkbZ1I
YR/Figures/chain/total (at 5 chain immigrants each)
00 0,000,000,000 0,015,000,000 amnesty
06 0,075,000,000 0,090,000,000 chain round 1
12 0,450,000,000 0,540,000,000 chain round 2
18 2,700,000,000 3,340,000,000 chain round 3
Yep, with a “B” in under 20 years.
That’s the potential.
You can play with those number changing the five to only three, or the 15 million to start from 15 to 40 million.
Thars the core of it all. The more we do the worse it gets. 30 years now. Fail. Worse. Liberalism.
I don’t care who it pisses off. At this point in time, with the facts of history what they are, anyone continuing to vote RINO is every bit at fault as a Democrat for this situation going ahead. If they want their RINOs, then they get to shoulder the blame for them. Romney is running whether he claims it or not. Jeb is. Bush is. Paul is.
And today Cruz had a PAC file paperwork to lay the groundwork. If people go the Charlie sheen WINNING! rout and push for one of the freaks, then it’s all on them if Cruz loses the primary. All of it, lock stock and barrel. And until lightning strikes, I’ll call them on it. Because this isn’t a game. It’s our country. And if they want to work against it, they will be opposed.
We could always go the Fallout 3 videogame route I suppose. Get a new 15 megaton religion ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdkOGH52_ms
Norm, having said what I did, I saw Obama to be a nation-killer.
I did not see Romney to be that level of a problem.
It was my take that four more years of Obama could harm this nation so bad, it couldn’t recover.
I didn’t view four years of Romney to be a nation ender.
Those are some pretty sick options to have to ponder, I’ll grant you.
Romney ran for one reason and one reason only, to block a conservative from getting the nomination. He mailed it in, once he got the nomination, because it was “Mission Accomplished.”
Honestly, I don’t disagree with that. That’s a possibility.
I know Bush I did that. Worst campaign in U. S. History...
There’s no question Barry is horrid. But when I look at what Mitt did...wait. I don’t even need to go there. When I just listen to his twofaced comments, it’s all I need to know to believe he’s every bit as evil. No granted, no one trusts the guy. But how many of us ever say that and really, genuinely think about what that means?
Barry, you can trust to do exactly the wrong thing. You can plan for that. You can (unlike the gop) counter it with action if you want to stop it.
But Mitt can’t even be trusted that far. you don’t know what he will do in any situation. The videos on youtube of Mitt Romney debating Mitt Romney clearly show what his word is worth. Nothing. And what his beliefs are. Situational. That guy has literally the ethics of The Joker in Batman. He is personified chaos.
Then I look at him as president. Other than Cruz/Lee, who would ever honestly oppose him no matter what he did? They refuse to oppose Obama no matter what he does. So we would be guaranteed Mass on a national level.
As for terror ect, he has no experience in foreign policy at all. Just as Barry had none so that’s a blank. His overseas business was in maximizing profit at the expense of American jobs. His military experience is in avoiding any. Again, no different than Barry.
In sum, it’s just a different collection of bad. Not better or worse. Just different by every available metric. None of us can say what he would or would not do in many areas as there is nothing to compare it in his record. But that record is filled with what he did, how he reacted and time has given us the results with crystal clarity.
If that is what we actually want to put our names with, we are insane. We cannot do it again. None of us can say with any honesty we’d want this guy around us. Why would we want to give someone that repulsive the literal keys to the planet? And then be responsible for his death panels, his abortion, his gay, his cluelessness to foreign policy. Thats exactly what the liberals did. Ignored Barry’s history, pretended it didn’t exist and elected him.
Same guy.
Nope, no fear of him here. Fear of the mess he’d cause? yup. And only because I know that the right ran left to try electing him. And if they don’t wake up to reality they will do it again.
I actually despise his apologists more than the man himself. Mitt is what he is. He can’t be anything else. His apologists CHOOSE to throw their integrity away to live the Charlie Sheen WINNING! fantasy.. It don’t get much more ridiculous than that.
I agree with your House, Legislature, and White House in Republican control theory. They have no natural enemies. They can pass anything they want. If it’s Leftist in nature, they can do terrible harm.
Think of Conservatism pre and post Bush. Was it respected more or less after his terms in office? I would say it took a massive hit under Bush.
If you look on this forum alone, Conservatism was simply not allowed if it was anti-Bush dogma. I’m not saying Jim favored this, but the Bush folks just went rabid for a while there if you said anything against Bush.
I had one die-hard tell me that Bush was a better president than Reagan after Bush’s second term.
Ouch!
Don’t feel bad. a few days back I had one tell me that ‘I’ not Reagan came up with the 80% thing. I made it up. He’d never heard of it... which defies belief to begin with, so I obviously made it up.
People say some amazing sXit rather than fess op that they are either ignorant of a fact or because they have to justify their beliefs or past positions even when they know they are wrong. Bush did some stuff right, to be sure. But as you say, conservatism did not advance. It fell back.
I know for a fact that I am not the only American who considered that extremely LIKELY case scenario in 2012, and it was a large part of our decision to withhold our votes from Romney.
Emotional math-challenged folks argue that that was "giving" my vote to the Democrats, but in action and fact, it was weakening the momentum of leftward movement (we saw the payoff in the midterm elections). The more voters who figure out that dynamic, the weaker that leftward momentum will get and the more easily it will be able to swing right again.
Regardless of intent, the only MATERIAL consequence of voting for a functional Democrat Republican is to endorse leftward movement in the Republican party. Nothing more, nothing less. Intentions are wishes. Actions are material.
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