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In light of the Zimmerman and Dunn trials, is the jury system broken? (Part 1)
AllVoices ^ | February 22, 2014 | Harold Michael Harvey, JD

Posted on 10/29/2014 7:10:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Paladin2
I feel a song coming on.

( I picked this version because it seemed to be the least encumbered by ads and other insanity. Oh, the irony! )

41 posted on 10/29/2014 8:50:54 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: pfflier

After watching OJ and Casey Anthony walk, it is refreshing to see these two trials seem to invoke justice. The author sounds like a lunatic.


42 posted on 10/29/2014 8:55:10 PM PDT by tioga
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To: yldstrk
Zimmerman jury was right on, don’t know what the Dunn case was

Dunn murdered Davis over some dispute about loud music. Dunn was found guilty of 1st degree murder.

43 posted on 10/29/2014 8:59:30 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: dr_lew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8-BI89mb9A


44 posted on 10/29/2014 9:28:59 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: tarheelswamprat

Sounds presidential.


45 posted on 10/29/2014 9:47:39 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Paladin2
I always thought that was Tom Lehrer, but as I read:

Lehrer used it in his act (and recorded it). The Kingston Trio heard it performed by Lehrer at The Hungry I, incorporated it into their own act, recorded it, and had a big hit with it. But Sheldon Harnick—who would later write the lyrics for Fiddler on the Roof, The Apple Tree, She Loves Me!, The Rothschilds, and others wrote it.

I guess it's along the same lines as "Everything is Broken", but kind of a different take.

46 posted on 10/29/2014 10:14:16 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jordan Davis does not get the benefit of the doubt that he had a right to disregard a command to turn his music down without being shot to death by a white man.

“In each instance, a white man was the aggressor who initiated the deadly altercation.

The George Zimmerman and Michael Dunn trials are modern-day examples of how justice has played out in American courtrooms for centuries outside the spotlight of media attention.”

Interesting he neglects to mention the difference in the outcome of the trials.


47 posted on 10/30/2014 6:17:01 AM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: MileHi
Juris Doctor

He's a lawyer.

48 posted on 10/30/2014 6:24:03 AM PDT by chesley (Obama -- Muslim or dhimmi? And does it matter?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t know. I’m the only PhD that I know that doesn’t flaunt it. But I came to it way to late in life to be impressed with myself. :)


49 posted on 10/30/2014 6:25:26 AM PDT by chesley (Obama -- Muslim or dhimmi? And does it matter?)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I read that the presumption in Europe is that the accussed is guilty??


50 posted on 10/30/2014 6:29:30 AM PDT by chesley (Obama -- Muslim or dhimmi? And does it matter?)
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To: chesley
"Correct me if I’m wrong, but I read that the presumption in Europe is that the accussed is guilty??"

Our legal tradition is inherited from England, so certainly not all of Europe. I believe in France's system you must prove your innocence.

51 posted on 10/30/2014 6:31:29 AM PDT by mlo
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To: chesley

I had a seminar in graduate school with someone who was a Russian prince...but he just put “Mr.” in front of his surname on his syllabus, when he could have put “H.R.H. Prince...”


52 posted on 10/30/2014 7:42:42 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: oldplayer
Is the jury system broken?

Let me answer that . . . No!

Not entirely broken, as the Zimmerman case shows. But it is seriously dented, in the sense that jurors are told that they don’t have the discretion that the prosecutor has - which is to treat a violation as serious or as a technicality. If as the author of
Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent - Harvey Silverglate (Author), Alan M. Dershowitz (Foreword)
argues, anyone can be held to be guilty of something, that is not a minor point.

53 posted on 10/30/2014 8:09:17 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: mlo
That's sorta what I thought. The Napoleonic code, or something.

I prefer our system, even if the occasional OJ or Angela Davis goes free.

54 posted on 10/30/2014 9:34:44 AM PDT by chesley (Obama -- Muslim or dhimmi? And does it matter?)
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To: tioga
Peers means fellow citizens not fellow criminals.

A jury of my peers in Miami can't speak my language. :-(

55 posted on 11/01/2014 7:39:04 AM PDT by Does so (SCOTUS Newbies Imperil USA...)
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