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To: xzins
The only place I would disagree with the good Rev. Graham is that I'm not even sure that radical Islam is a religion. It is more like a political ideology masquerading as a religion.

Its abject intolerance and "kill any who don't subjugate themselves to us" mindset bears more resemblance to the leftist philosophies of fascism, Marxism and all point between than it does to any world religion.

6 posted on 10/28/2014 7:10:42 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
The only place I would disagree with the good Rev. Graham is that I'm not even sure that radical Islam is a religion. It is more like a political ideology masquerading as a religion.

ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION IN AS MUCH AS IT IS A WAR PLAN!

15 posted on 10/28/2014 7:31:42 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: Vigilanteman

“The only place I would disagree with the good Rev. Graham is that I’m not even sure that radical Islam is a religion.”

This is the discussion that needs to begin in America as it has begun and advanced in Europe.

Islam is a system of government. It’s not a religion.

One of the most important elements of a religion is that it is voluntary. Islam has a death penalty.

In the US, we agreed upon and adhere to (more or less) a justice system based on a documented legal process that uses laws that were ultimately voted on and agreed to by its citizens.

In Islam, there’s sharia law, which is the only system of jurisprudence recognized by Muslims. Islam doesn’t recognize or adhere to any other system of governance or jurisprudence than the one established by Islam.

And there is no ‘radical’ Islam. Just Islam. After 9/11, Aaron Sorkin tried to educate people on this point in one of the West Wing episodes, equating jihadists to the KKK.

The comparison was pretty weak at best, but at the time nobody questioned it and most bought it because the shock of what had happened was overwhelming enough. To contemplate a system of governance that threatened to compete with our Constitutional form of government wasn’t anything anybody was prepared to do.

The Fort Hood ‘Workplace Violence’ charade will probably be considered the ultimate piece of purposeful apology for something that is actually identical to, and more committed to in the long term, anything that Hitler had hoped to achieve.

Both movements blamed the Jews for the conditions both had brought upon themselves. Both sought the annihilation of NOT JUST the Jews, but anyone outside the movement.

I’ve seen schoolkids ask, “What in the world were people thinking in the 30’s and 40’s while all of this was being perpetrated by essentially one man at a podium?”

They will be asking the same thing of us, only Islam has so many more people running interference for it at so many different podiums. I submit that the world’s pre-eminent apologist for Islam in the world today is the President of the United States. He’s the face of modern Islam in the world. He spends more time explaining and apologizing for their actions and inactions. He obfuscates the obvious, such as implying that ISIL has nothing to do with Islam, though the first two words of the acronym is ‘Islamic State’.

In the US, I believe that the only way to begin a rational and peaceful resistance to the Islamic hegemony is for the courts to begin to rule that Islam is a competing system of governance and laws, and as such no longer enjoys the protections of the 1st Amendment. The irony, of course, is that so many wouldn’t hesitate to strip the Tea Party’s 1st Amendment rights, but would have real trouble - agnostic or atheist though they be - stripping Islam of their 1A rights.

All of that hinges on the two aspects of Islam that render it a government:

1. Believers have no right to quit the faith. Quitters are killed.
2. Islam sees the world in terms of its adherents, and those people who’s only options are 1) Convert, 2) Die, or 3) Defend themselves.

We may lament the retreat of family and Christian values from our society, but at least people chose that path freely. Nobody held a knife at their throat and said, “Accept Mohammed or I will cut your head off.”


46 posted on 10/28/2014 9:12:12 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Vigilanteman

That’s been my point all along. Islam is much less a religion, altho strict adherents make it one in the same sense that a cult might be, than it is a form of tribal governance. The koran makes it clear that it wants to control all aspects of community life, not just a means to personal salvation. The simple fact that mooslimes want God referred to as allah means , first , that they want everybody speaking arabic. That’s not religion. Thats a cult. Worse, rather than codifying a set of civil laws to govern themselves, they want the ability to make it up as they go such that leadership can adjust the rules as needed to keep themselves in power. And it works as long as the oil money holds out. But as long as they’re focused on killing each other I’m just saying “you go, muckmood.”


57 posted on 10/28/2014 10:22:27 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Vigilanteman

Islam is a death cult!

A pure and simple DEATH CULT!

Our challenge is to eradicate Islam off the face of the earth!


85 posted on 10/30/2014 9:52:16 PM PDT by Taxman
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