Posted on 10/21/2014 4:34:40 PM PDT by Vendome
"If you want to speak Mexican, go join a Mexican tank. This is an American tank. We speak American." - "Wardaddy", Fury 2014
Lazy, thieving, bass tord...
Them they preceded any notion of a collective identity, much less a unified state.
In fact, there 50 plush indigenous peoples of various tribes but, they are Mexican only as a matter of citizenship.
Dirty Nellies and Midnight Rodeo!!!
They have casinos down there too?
1848 was the height of Irish emigration and during the civil war many Irish simply the United States and went to Mexico rather than being conscripted.
In fact, during the Mexican American war some 170+ Irish fought for Mexico against America.
ROTFLMAO!!!!
I gotta see that. Maybe Friday
Nope.
My spelling, cuz my phone is way smarter than I, leads me to believe they deep in bean bag chairs and dingle berry’s adorn everything...
The Spanish still rule Mexico.
I am Irish-American and I have never seen Ireland and never will. So What?
It was like the arty shells were dropping in your pocket. Pitt was The Man.
Much like Europeans and Chinese.
Your argument is obtuse.
Your argument is non-sense
Maybe you’re Mexican. ..
Maybe you are retarded?
Or just plain stupid?
You project.
You took my specific argument and tried to turn it on the vagaries of whatever you are pathetically attempting to deflect or dilute.
Being born in America and having ethnic lineage
from Europe is not the same as saying “I’m French American”.
Europe is a region of the world consisting of many ethnicities, though it presently is not a country.
having Chinese blood is a dissimilar as well but, in an oblique way.
that is: one can be born in America and claim they have Chinese blood in their lineage on their mother and father’s sides.
however, ethnic Chinese only constitute 50% of the population and there are 57 other distinct ethnicities within the China Federation.
But, assuming one really and truly is of direct Chinese heritage they can legitimately go back to a land that has been called China since forever.
That argument “cannot” be made by so called Mexicans, born in America.
1st it is entirely likely they are really part Spanish and Moorish. They could also be part Irish and Lebanese, like Selma Hayek.
There is no Mexican bloodline and no real Mexican history until around 1800.
Before that, it’s all native peoples of various clans, bands and tribes but, there is no collective identity for those people anymore than there were for say the Sioux and Lakota, who both hail from what we know as Canada, with the Lakota displacing the Sioux, a rival tribe, forcing them to the Dakotas.
the same with the Iroquois and Cherokee. They had peace pacts but, they were always rivals.
and none of these tribes had contact with the Hopi, Apache or Oholone.
There is no collective identity.
So goes all the people who pretend to be Mexican.
They are parts of European and North African descent.
They are taller, sturdier and way hairier than native people of Mexico.
There are no Mexican archeological digs or artifacts either.
There are sites by Aztecs, Mayans, Ute, Zune, etc but, they were never collectively anything and had their own language or dialects.
Today however, most speak Spanish and many still retain their language but, they have no Spanish Blood, only the history and customs brought to them by Spain.
My object in posing the question was to begin crafting a counter to the romancing of Mexican history, which is more like Camelot, and bring Americans to well America, to join and embrace being American.
The argument that this land once belonged to Mexico is a myth, unless one counts the 22 years when Spain gave up governing these lands but, make no mistake, the people governing where largely Spanish with many having Moorish and Andalusian blood.
Further, during the 22 years after Mexico became independent all the land which eventually became American where territories, which they had no real ability to mange or govern.
Mexico was a basket case from the get go and still is, in terms of governing.
Mexico is a land rich in history but, little of it Mexican.
Soain settled that place, not Mexicans.
That was very well put together and correct.
Mexicans have a shorter life span than Americans in history.
The squeal about how we took “their” land when it was never their to begin with.
Mexicans are a mixed breed of people as are most Americans.
The older Mexicans you find in South Texas know this and embrace it. They are good people and easy to get along with and will never go back to Mexico because their family is here.
It is the younger crowd that are claiming they are Mexicano first and are trying to lay claim to America for Mexico. They have NO ties to Mexico beyond meeting some illegal from Mexico or being a first descendent of an illegal.
Zactly.
I’m not trying to rob them of their pride. Rather I am attempting to give them a better context in which to be truly proud.
Americans aren’t going to Mexico because conditions here dictate they must for a better life.
With Mexico and further south the story is quite different.
America loves a winner.
America will not tolerste a loser.
These people want to be victims of some vague myth. Why?
Be an American. We win at everything.
Hell, looked at one way, America is stealing the people of these other countries.
It seems that way since they come here by the millions.
Why?
Uhm, simple explanation is Mexico has an average annual income of $9,600 per year.
That’s pathetic.
Whereas America and even little ole Canada have and average annual wave of $54,000.
The math is pretty easy and seems ironically stupid, since Mexico is a land rich, very rich in resources and yet their culture doesn’t allow and enable them to exploit them.
I've got two brothers-in-law that are Mexican-American, both speak Spanish as well as English. One is lilly white, born here but parents from Mexico, they certainly can pass as white European looks. The other is brown, born in Mexico. They don't get along and detest each other.
A long time ago when I studied Spanish in college, my Spanish teacher immersed us in all things Mexican. He looked white but grew up in Mexico. Told us about a town in Mexico where practically everyone had the name Johnson (not sure, memory is failing). All white, intermarried, so the name was majority in the town. Got us laughing but he was serious.
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