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To: narses

There isn’t any question the Catholic Church has failed sensationally in catechization since Vatican II. And the current pope seems to be intent on facilitating this trend, much as Obama is intent on destroying America.


10 posted on 09/22/2014 7:13:09 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; ...
Compare Pew’s question above to how Ras put it: Suppose a Christian wedding photographer has deeply held religious beliefs opposing same-sex marriage. If asked to work a same-sex wedding ceremony, should that wedding photographer have the right to say no?...

That is much better, but Pew is worded more like a ballot measure would be, and more likely represents how the public would generally answer.

Blacks are sensitive to giving businesses the right to deny service to a disfavored group (at least vis-a-vis marriage), for obvious historical reasons.

What they should have asked was, "If a business owned by black or Jewish people provided services for special functions, such as photography or special cakes or signs, should it be allowed to refuse to provides such for a Klu Klux Klan or another white supremacist celebration?

I think you would see a very different and inconsistent response, vs. "religious reasons."

The tilt among Catholics is interesting too, driven partly by the number of Hispanic Catholics but not entirely. Even white Catholics show majority support for forcing business owners to comply.

Which is consistent with the abundance of other stats from many researchers testifying to the overall liberal fruit of Rome, while if the wording here is to be blamed, then white evangelical Protestants had more discernment with 71% upholding the right of the business to refuse, vs, just 25% disagreeing, while blacks only make up 6% of evangelicals.

In contrast, the percentage for white Caths were 45/53, which is worse than the % for even all Protestants (54/41).

82 percent of white evangelical Protestants, i.e. the conservative base, see homosexuality as sinful while 56 percent of Hispanic

And just 47% of white Caths, while Latinos make up an est. 15% of evangelicals, and 32% of Catholics.

29 posted on 09/23/2014 5:40:49 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: steve86; 2ndDivisionVet
My post above was meant to go to post #1 by 2ndDivisionVet, while to your response, There isn’t any question the Catholic Church has failed sensationally in catechization since Vatican II , i would say that the catechization is not to be blamed so much as the application.

What we really believe is manifest by what we do and effect, (Ja. 2:18; Mt. 7:20) and souls look for the interpretation of what they heard by how the preachers translate it into their own lives, and as Rome treats even notorious public proabortion prosodomite pols as members in life and in death, which speaks louder for what she officially says.

But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. (1 Corinthians 5:11)

"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. " (Romans 16:17)

"And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. " (2 Thessalonians 3:14)

Yet as Rome herself much teaches contrary to that of the NT church , so she is to be avoided.

36 posted on 09/23/2014 5:53:50 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: steve86
There isn’t any question the Catholic Church has failed sensationally in catechization since Vatican II.

NOW you've done it!

HATER!!!


38 posted on 09/23/2014 5:55:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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