[Navy Patriot]

More highway robbery for those of you who appreciated the SF parking ticket thread.

More Socialist Tyranny, read the whole article.

[ImJustAnotherOkie]

I have a 12ga camera disabler. Works fast but makes a whole lot of noise.

[The Antiyuppie]

Actually, I’m in favor of tickets that take income into account, with a floor minimum.

That might get these a$$es like Bieber a little more interested in driving like an adult.

[Focault's Pendulum]

Several towns here in NJ have stopped the program, most notably Brick Twp. The mayor was under the favored impression that they were causing more accidents then preventing them.

Several years ago I was listening to NJ 101.5. A councilman from a Northern NJ town was telling a story of his town council meeting to consider the red light program.

A presentation was made by a representative of a red light company.

The councilman went on to say that 5% of the presentation involved safety concerns. The other 95% was dedicated to revenue enhancement for the town.

[Mr Ramsbotham]

The problem I have with these schemes is that they penalize the owner of the vehicle, and not (necessarily) the perpetrator of the infraction. That’s an unjust assumption that ought to negate the entire practice.

[USFRIENDINVICTORIA]

Red light or speed cameras become cash grabs, because the fines were set when most offenders didn’t get caught. Deterrence is based on the fine times the probability of getting caught. If you have only a (say) 5% probability of getting caught, a large fine is needed for deterrence. If you have a near 100% chance of getting caught, a much smaller fine should be a sufficient deterrent. When cameras are used, fines should be reduced.

[Uncle Miltie]

Cops: Revenuers for the Welfare State.

[Opinionated Blowhard]

These things have been a scam in every city and township that used them. In NJ, there was a scandal when a study showed that something like 75% of the tickets given by the cameras were for right turns on red, which are legal. The issue was the people didn’t stop long enough, and the decision on what was “long enough” was arbitrary from township to township. The bottom line is that the cameras don’t catch many people simply blowing through red lights. They catch people waiting 5 seconds instead of 10 seconds to make a legal right turn on red.

[BobL]

“The rolling stop is a safety issue.”

Funny, if I try a “rolling stop” at a red light where I live, my car will get DESTROYED by cross traffic. I know enough to come to a FULL STOP at red lights. If people drive that bad where this babe lives, I suggest she invest some money in driver education.

[peteyd]

I know they took them out of Emeryville,Ca.

[Objective Scrutator]

Our nation might be better off if we abolish all enforcement of traffic laws unless damage to lives or property occurs, in which case we could judge accordingly. Interesting case scenario here. I still think that traffic lights are useful to facilitate the flow of traffic, but we should be much more lax about how we enforce traffic laws. Seeing people sitting at red lights when there is no oncoming traffic is, quite frankly, retarded, and speed limits should be abolished on highways.

[DoughtyOne]

There are so many cameras out there these days, it might be a good idea to check out the public toilet real good before sitting down.

[apoliticalone]

THANK you.

Photo and redlight cameras are all about tyranny, revenue, and big brother, and not public safety.

The private sector corporate partners rig the system for more profits, and the “public safety” departments that benefit go along to get more kickbacks, and subsidies for pensions, and salaries and goodies.

http://www.mddriversalliance.org/