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To: ckilmer
According to the EIA (The US Energy Information Agency)In July 2014 100% of new electricity capacity came from renewables. 379 megawatts (MW) of wind, 21 MW of solar, and 5 MW of hydropower.

Hydro is ok as makes economic sense. The wind and solar are frauds on the taxpayer. They make no engineering or economic sense and can only exist through massive subsidies extracted from taxpayers by threat of force. The cost of these cannot be justified long-term. As more people come to understand that these are just schemes by the likes of Steyer to bilk billions their political viability will diminish.

What keeps oil prices up is vast demand from warm places like India and China.

Again,, you said the price of oil would collapse. As 2-3 billion Indians and Chinese demand more and more energy oil prices will only go up. Also, better check an atlas. There's a lot of China that gets pretty dang cold.

yeah I like kipling too his point is not applicable here.

Kipling's 'Gods' represent reality. His point is that reality always, ALWAYS wins. You can worship at the Gaian temple all you want but she ain't gonna give you any free energy.

17 posted on 09/13/2014 10:39:32 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Hydro is ok as makes economic sense. The wind and solar are frauds on the taxpayer. In Arizona and nearby areas solar is competitive without price supports. Agree they are not competitive elsewhere. However, prices are coming down fast. Within a decade they will be price competitive without government supports.

What keeps oil prices up is vast demand from warm places like India and China.

Again,, you said the price of oil would collapse. As 2-3 billion Indians and Chinese demand more and more energy oil prices will only go up. Also, better check an atlas. There’s a lot of China that gets pretty dang cold.
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All true. There is steadily demanding rise for oil around the world but mostly from warm places. So yeah half of China is cold—but that Northern part of china not the most populous. All of Brazil is warm. Cooler Europe, North America, Australia Japan are place where demand is not rising in a big way. But you need to understand that Tesla S class car lit the fuse on a major revolution in all the major car companies around the world. This is not a sideshow, this is not a small thing. This is a very big industrial/energy turn.
yeah I like kipling too his point is not applicable here.

Kipling’s ‘Gods’ represent reality. His point is that reality always, ALWAYS wins. You can worship at the Gaian temple all you want but she ain’t gonna give you any free energy.
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I totally agree on the Gaian temple biz.

But the Chinese are into it because the numbers work. For them its better to make the electric cars and supply them with electricity produced in China — than to spend 1/2 trillion dollars annually to import oil.


26 posted on 09/13/2014 11:12:26 AM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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