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ESPN sources contradict Roger Goodell's 'ambiguous' statement
Boston Globe ^ | 9/12/2014 | staff reports

Posted on 09/12/2014 11:54:08 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

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To: DeaconRed

College is just the training grounds for criminal behavior and acceptance.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2004147460_rbstevens270.html

things like the above, which are all too common, combined with fanatical worship of football/basketball even in HS, ala Stuebenville, with half the town siding with players that are rapists has turned me off forever.

I don’t expect purity. I also don’t expect selling one’s soul so teams can win either.


21 posted on 09/12/2014 12:33:00 PM PDT by roofgoat
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To: nhwingut

Goodell’s father was a Democrat Party honcho, so it’s doubtful. he’s a Republican.


22 posted on 09/12/2014 12:33:36 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The culture surrounding our youth--the music, films, government policy that denigrates fatherhood and traditional family structure, the abandonment of the Judeo-Christian ethic of respect for personhood (this same ethic is the one that motivated the anti-slavery movement and still motivates the ones among us who are anti-infanticide) is one that reflects misogyny and self-gratification.

The attitudes and actions that result from such a culture are visible in not just the actions of Ray Rice against his girlfriend; they are evident in the weasel-words used by Roger Goodell and his apologists, and by the "cultural leaders" of our day.

Language is being destroyed--"marriage" is re-defined to whatever we think it "ought" to be, "love" is how one feels at the moment, "truth" is relative...

A spiritual awakening is needed. Children (and just a few years ago, Ray Rice was a child) need to be inculcated in a society that respects personhood, truth, family, God, the Judeo-Christian ethic of work and responsibility....

In a world where there are no absolutes and disrespect of the rule of law, wickedness spreads exponentially. (One never is rid of evil, but there are times when its societal effects are abated.)

23 posted on 09/12/2014 12:34:36 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

the answer is no. too many victim/social justice groups running the show.


24 posted on 09/12/2014 12:35:35 PM PDT by roofgoat
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To: nhwingut

Goodell has ties to Western PA (went to school at W&J) and had close ties to the Rooney family. That is how he got his entre into the NFL.

And, as we all know, the Rooney Family are about as far from being Republicans as you can get. So I highly doubt that Goodell is.


25 posted on 09/12/2014 12:35:40 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I don’t think the critics are making sense on this one. “I hit her” is actually kind of ambiguous. There’s hits and there’s hits. You can hit somebody and they don’t even notice, or you can hit somebody so hard their head bounces off a wall 3 feet away.


26 posted on 09/12/2014 12:37:06 PM PDT by discostu (We don't leave the ladies crying cause the story's sad.)
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To: clintonh8r; All
Gee....I can hardly wait for "Pink October."

To do my part, I am refusing to watch any NFL games in the month of October; until the NFL institutes it's 'Stop the Violence Against Men' campaign to take place is November, that is.
27 posted on 09/12/2014 12:41:36 PM PDT by notdownwidems (Shellback pollywogs! U.S.S. William H. Standley, CG-32 1977-80)
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To: roofgoat

If that were true, the victim/social justice groups known as NOW, NAN, etcetera, would already have had the owners in the NFL fire Roger Goodell right at the outset when Goodell gave a two game suspension to Ray Rice.

Victim/social justice groups have a lot of pull, but apparently not here.

There is nothing stopping the players being able to refrain from hitting women, and Rush knows this.

Yes, Rush is often right about victim/social justice groups. But when some men do this, and the aforementioned “groups” get alarmed, Rush cannot blame them for the actions of the football players.


28 posted on 09/12/2014 12:44:31 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Buckeye McFrog; nhwingut

Married to Jane Skinner for what that’s worth in the discussion.


29 posted on 09/12/2014 12:49:51 PM PDT by John W (Autumn of Recovery VI: This Time We're Serious)
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To: discostu

This isn’t just a case of the critics making or not making sense.

This is a case of 1.) Roger Goodell saying that he did not see the second elevator video. But the AP reported that a copy of the second elevator video was sent to the NFL and Goodell said that he didn’t see it. 2.) That was followed up by this...

What is it, Goodell sees no evil (second elevator video) and hears no evil (Ray Rice saying that he hit his wife), TOO?


30 posted on 09/12/2014 12:50:30 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: txrefugee

Goodell’s father was a Republican senator from NY. A RINO.


31 posted on 09/12/2014 12:52:53 PM PDT by Andy'smom (How many more acts of love can we take?)
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To: discostu
I don’t think the critics are making sense on this one. “I hit her” is actually kind of ambiguous. There’s hits and there’s hits. You can hit somebody and they don’t even notice, or you can hit somebody so hard their head bounces off a wall 3 feet away.

Yeah, that was my thought, too. Did Rice tell Goodell "I hit her", or "I punched her", or "I dropped her with a single blow when I cold-cocked her"? Because the first of those is somewhat ambiguous - it could be anything from a rough push to a slap to... well, what was on the video.

It's not necessarily inconsistent for Rice to have told Goodell that he hit her without Goodell having knowledge of any actual specifics. The devil is in the details, after all, and there seems to be enough bad behavior all around to criticize without simply assuming facts that haven't (yet) been proven.

32 posted on 09/12/2014 12:57:59 PM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Remember the AP story is anonymously sourced with no verification of the supposed voicemail, and at best it says it was sent to the NFL, which is a big organization and somebody may not have forwarded it on. The Ravens owner was interviewed yesterday and he put out an interesting idea. He said he never bothered to check the video evidence because the police/DA accepted counseling as punishment, he figured if that was as far as the law was willing to push things then it can’t be that bad. And that’s the real question that doesn’t seem to be getting asked here, since when is bouncing somebody’s head off a wall and knocking them out cold not assault? Counseling for what we’ve seen on that tape sure seems like a joke. Everybody else’s failure really is waterfalling from there.


33 posted on 09/12/2014 1:02:27 PM PDT by discostu (We don't leave the ladies crying cause the story's sad.)
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To: discostu

I fully expect it was a case of willful blindness as opposed to active cover-up. As you pointed out, they had the criminal case resolution in front of them, Rice falt-out told the commissioner that he hit” her, and no one from the Ravens organization or the NFL had any good incentive at that point to look more closely.


34 posted on 09/12/2014 1:08:53 PM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: kevkrom
I fully expect it was a case of willful blindness

I agree.

Didn't Rice's lawyer have the tape? How could he negotiate with the court without all the evidence against his client?

If so, why didn't Goodell compel Rice to produce the tape from his lawyer?
Answer: He just didn't want to see it.


35 posted on 09/12/2014 1:33:42 PM PDT by 867V309 (Crusade: the only solution.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Excuse me, but $44,000,000 a year? For what exactly? He makes more than most of the players, which is pathetic.


36 posted on 09/12/2014 1:43:42 PM PDT by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“And, as we all know, the Rooney Family are about as far from being Republicans as you can get.”


Umm, you are aware that conservative Republican Congressman Tom Rooney of Florida is Art Rooney’s grandson, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Rooney_(politician)

Sure, Dan Rooney (Tom’s uncle) is a Democrat, but obviously not all of the Rooneys are.


37 posted on 09/12/2014 2:03:47 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Per TMZ, Adrian Peterson indicted this afternoon for injuring a child with a switch.


38 posted on 09/12/2014 2:06:40 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

NEW YORK — NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell earned over $100 million over the course of five years — more than any of the league’s star players.

Goodell, who is facing pressure to resign in the face of the Ray Rice domestic abuse scandal, earned a whopping $44.2 million for the 2012 season, the most recent to be reported by the NFL. That was up 50% from 2011.

The only player who came close to earning that kind of money was Drew Brees, who pulled down $40 million in salary and signing bonus that same year, according to salary tracker Spotrac.

http://kdvr.com/2014/09/12/goodell-pay-105-million-in-5-years/


39 posted on 09/12/2014 2:07:37 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

I tried to access their site, but couldn’t.


40 posted on 09/12/2014 2:09:01 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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