Posted on 09/11/2014 1:50:00 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
He has not “given” up on Crimea. Things there are going just swimmingly for the Sultan in Washington. A would be American ally is being rightly punished with dismemberment.
I picture Obama giggling like a schoolgirl when he said this.
As it should he. Giving up Crimea is one good item to ridicule Obama sitting on the back of Putin’s horse being flexible. And giving up a couple more chunks of Ukraine will help that cause even more although it leaves a bigger mess to clean up when he’s gone.
Yea we should just shut up about Russia invading sovereign nations and killing it’s neighbors because you are tired of hearing about it, huh?
I think you are right. My point is that we have real issues to worry about instead of making good nations into evil straw men. As a Republican, I am extremely upset with my party using Russia as a punching bag.
USA-Russia is almost certainly a "fair" matchup. However, I don't see Russia being interested in such a fight, at least not in my lifetime (assuming some US administration doesn't start it).
Who did Russia kill unprovoked?
Crimea was "invaded" without firing a shot (indeed, the only shots fired were by a third-party sniper/agitator who took shots at both Russian and Ukrainian soldiers).
Donetsk/Lughansk had to deal with the Ukrainian government bombing civilian hours, hospitals, and city centers, including with phosphorus bombs.
Who are the war criminals here? Ukrainian parliament is considering a resolution holding their soldiers immune from war crimes prosecution because guess why? They committed war crimes against the East.
"Russian-speakers" within other countries - No.
Easy concept.
I was talking about the interests of the Russian Federation in general. These include preventing war crimes near their borders that result in hundreds of thousands of refugees streaming across.
Obama never cared about little squabbles in Crimea or Ukraine. Once the new world-wide caliphate is launched none of that will matter.
Peddle your nonsense elsewhere.
Russia is not a good nation. Russia is an evil tyranny and is America’s worst enemy in the world. KGB Putin is a terrorist mass murderer and a war criminal.
Yea tell that to the thousands of dead Ukrainians, Russians killed, including in Crimea. Change your handle to ‘bag of hammers’ because if you believe what you wrote the hammers have more intelligence than you.
Where is the evidence? As far as I have seen, there were two casualties (in Crimea) during the Crimean Crisis. One Eastern Ukranian, one Ukranian. They were killed by a sniper agitator. They held the funerals together as a sign of solidity.
In Donetsk/Lughansk, the people declared independence, and there was no killing until Kiev attacked. Kiev intentionally targeted civilian areas. There is no excuse for that.
All culpability here is with Kiev. The USA has no business being associated with those criminals.
What evil? What tyranny? The USSR is gone. Over. Done with. The nation that exists on the territory is NOT THE SAME. Is the USA considered Great Britain simply because we exist on formerly British territory?
In the USSR, citizens couldn't leave without permission. In Russia, this is not the case.
In the USSR, citizens couldn't own property. In Russia, this is not the case.
In the USSR, citizens couldn't even change cities without permission. In Russia, this is not the case.
In the USSR, citizens couldn't hope to rise above their circumstances. In Russia, people do this every day.
Russia has a lot of problems with corruption, but it is still very much a land of opportunity.
My in-laws (Armenians) had to leave Kirovabad, Azerbaijan, in 1987 or 1988 because of Azeri pogroms against Armenians. They had to leave within days, without time to bring any of their property. They lost everything, including their house. They arrived in Russia essentially penniless.
Today, they own their house and their car (no debt). They have a successful business in the Krasnodar Krai. My wife was able to make money (working herself) to put herself through four years of college, then travel to the USA to study more. Her family regularly comes to visit us. They travel to Istanbul to import merchandise for the store every quarter or so. My wife's youngest sister just finished high school with high honors and was offered one of a very small number of full scholarships to the #2 university in Russia. Keep in mind they are not ethnically Russian, but rather a racial and ethnic minority.
I have spent months in Russia very recently. I understand a bit of the language. I have experienced what life is like there...There is no tyranny, there is no dictatorship. Individual tax rates are 13%. Small business tax rate is 0%. There are many idiosyncrasies, but no tyranny. People tend to be patriots and support Putin and Russia. Russia is the #2 immigration target in the world behind the USA.
Before this experience, I also felt that Russia was this huge bogeyman, simply out of ignorance. I imagined oppressed people with oxcarts on rutted roads.
Perhaps I am biased by my own experience, but I simply don't see a reason to oppose this country simply on principle. In many ways, opportunity there is better than here in the USA.
Mass murderer? Who has he "mass murdered"?
Putin=Hitler? Seriously? Did you intentionally Godwin this thread?
What hyperbole!
There you go, you don't see...and don't want to see. There has been lots of reports of dead Ukrainians in Crimea and eastern Ukraine and others being shipped off to Siberia from Crimea. You are late to the game here Russkie, we have been countering Kremlin bs boys like you here for months with the facts.
Nice fairytale, go and publicly oppose Putin in Russian and then tell us how wonderful Russia is.
Russians are taxed by high energy prices that Putin and the other thugs control, taxes have to be low Russians have little left.
The dead in Chechen and Georgia now Ukraine don't count in minds like yours.
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