Posted on 09/04/2014 1:45:44 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Policewomen were sprinting past us and screaming at us 'get back – you don't understand how dangerous this man is.'
The time-line of the story is a little vague. It is not entirely clear if the police were called before or after the women was killed.
And are the "unarmed" police helping get folks to safety while WAITING for the "armed" police to arrive? Could these "helper" police have taken down the perp had they been armed?
I never quite got why some "bobbies" are not armed - what is the point?
ping to my #61 - questions - no answers - yet...
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You obviously know nothing. It’s a clear case of Violence Against Women! The solution to this problem lies in the study of white male privilege.
“I never quite got why some “bobbies” are not armed - what is the point? “
To prove just how civilized they are and so much more enlightened than the colonies.
Yep - while they usher folks to safety - waiting for the real cops to show-up...
No, Hulka, you can sneer, but the fact is that murder rates in the UK are low (a quarter of the US). Gun deaths and gun crime are low. The former 1/90th of the US. The latter 1/16th. In a nation of over 60 million people, there are about 700 murders a year.
Most British police work simply does not require armed officers. There is also no great public wish for an all-armed police force.
Desspite tragedies like tonight in London, the UK is still a safe place overall (like any country it has its violent hotspots) and we simply don’t need an all-armed police force.
I never quite get how Americans see the LACK of guns in police hands as a WEAKNESS.
To all those tonight bemoaning the old lady wasn’t armed, the woman was doing her gardening when attacked.
Anyone here garden with a .45 strapped to them?. Thought not.
They call that a machete?
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It’s England ,, lower standards there .. they consider Jaguar to be a reliable car for instance..
96% of the UK isn’t.
96% of the UK isn’t any religion now??
Isnt Muslim.
He is a sunni muzzie.
With all due respect, if you take away the violent crime stats which are the result of the US gang-bangers killing each other, you get a much different picture.
And please don’t gloss over the fact that other violent crime is HIGHER in the UK; you are much more likely to be assaulted, or raped in the UK than in the US.
1—And I could take away black and muslim crime from ours. Result, huge drop. Hmm, didn’t think of that did you.
2—The violent crime figures are higher because of the different ways the crimes are collated and classified. the UK has 28 different crimes classed as violent and/or assault. A point proven by the fact that the US, going by figures, is ‘less violent’ than the UK, Sweden, Austria, Finland and Norway. And who believes that?. Not even Americans.
The rape figures actually are fractionally higher in the US. But lets say they are equal. You are NOT much more likely to get raped in the UK.
“Most British police work simply does not require armed officers. “
Same here.
“the UK is still a safe place overall”
As long as you are muslime. Seriously, not so much: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html
“(like any country it has its violent hotspots)”
Whole cities run by muslime counciles and defacto sharia law, no-go zones for the police. . .not to mention the deliberate cover-up of the ‘muslime’ issue in the UK (Rotherham). Not to mention the West End of London now looking like Riyadh. Not looking good. . .
“and we simply don’t need an all-armed police force.”
When an armed response is needed, the unarmed police will get everyone into organized ques and armed police will eventually arrive to count the bodies of the dead and wounded.
“I never quite get how Americans see the LACK of guns in police hands as a WEAKNESS.”
The world has changed dramatically this last decade or so, and the UK has yet to face this violent reality. Over-looking the existential threat from muslimes, you have your roving gangs of all sorts, violent gangs, and you, as a person, have no right to defend yourself with deadly force against someone attacking you or invading your home in the middle of the night (or day for that matter). If the police aren’t armed when acting as a first responder, you have no right to be armed as well. That IS a weakness.
700 dead? By guns? Since the good people are not armed and the vast majority of police are not armed, I’d say it is very likely most of those 700 were unarmed innocent victims. . .with perhaps some thug-on-thug killings. (Oh, can’t count those?).
If we take those thug-on-thug incidents out of the equation and we take thug-on-thug out of the equation in the US. . .we are about the same rate.
More Guns, Less Crime is a great read, recommend you spend some time reviewing the data.
And guess what, it is a weakness of a people when they are disarmed and can’t shoot the government when said government becomes oppressive, controlling, crushing and basically takes away your rights as a sovereign citizen.
We thank Great Britain for our ‘gun culture’ (2nd Amendment), because that is the true reason we have a 2nd Amendment—to shoot the government; we did it before (against ya’all), and can do it again if need be.
Now here is the brilliance of the right to be armed — when faced with an armed citizenry, a government will likely never become so oppressive that the citizens will need to revolt.
What will you do if Mohhammed and his 90% muslime parliament declare sharia law in the UK? Can’t shoot them or fight back. . .
But regarding just how violent the UK is (from the link above), “A Home Office spokesperson said: “These figures are misleading. Levels of police recorded crime statistics from different countries are simply not comparable since they are affected by many factors, for example the recording of violent crime in other countries may not include behaviour that we would categorise as violent crime.”
Indeed. We report differently than you guys. You guys report differently than us. Comparing apples and oranges isn’t helpful.
Here’s a thought before it gets much worse for you guys, come on over to the dark side, become the 51st state (we will let you keep your Royals and currency). Deal?
(I am an Anglophile, believe me, and I really enjoy the Scots—got to admire a people that scared the Romans so much that the Romans built a wall to keep them out).
Yes. . .I live in Texas, out west.
All good points and questions jon.
‘As long as you are muslime. Seriously, not so much: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html';
I’d go on my usual soapbox about collating stats, but I know you know what skews the UK numbers. If figures were king, the US would be safer than Sweden, Austria and Finland.
‘The world has changed dramatically this last decade or so, and the UK has yet to face this violent reality. Over-looking the existential threat from muslimes, you have your roving gangs of all sorts, violent gangs, and you, as a person, have no right to defend yourself with deadly force against someone attacking you or invading your home in the middle of the night (or day for that matter). If the police aren’t armed when acting as a first responder, you have no right to be armed as well. That IS a weakness.’
We DO and always have had the right to self-defence!. You’ve surely read my posts and other UK freepers stating this. And my own personal experience in 2008.
The UK has the legal right of self defence, even to death (Manchester burglar killed 2012). And the law has been strengthened twice since 2000 for the defender/homeowner.
‘700 dead? By guns? Since the good people are not armed and the vast majority of police are not armed, I’d say it is very likely most of those 700 were unarmed innocent victims. . .with perhaps some thug-on-thug killings. (Oh, can’t count those?).’
Nope, that’s ALL murder, most of which of course is where the victim knows the killer, like most murders. That number is all UK murders, inc Scotland and NI. Most UK murders are still by non-gun: knives, blunt object, strangulation etc.
‘More Guns, Less Crime is a great read, recommend you spend some time reviewing the data.
And guess what, it is a weakness of a people when they are disarmed and can’t shoot the government when said government becomes oppressive, controlling, crushing and basically takes away your rights as a sovereign citizen.’
Read it, if its the book I am thinking of by Joyce Malcolm, I wasn’t convinced. And I am a British gun owner and pro-gun and anti-gun control. The US and UK are different countries in many ways and her argument for the UK wasn’t imo convincing.
‘Now here is the brilliance of the right to be armed — when faced with an armed citizenry, a government will likely never become so oppressive that the citizens will need to revolt.
What will you do if Mohhammed and his 90% muslime parliament declare sharia law in the UK? Can’t shoot them or fight back. . .’
I agree, I would like to see a more armed UK society. The caveat is though, that the UK has never been a mass gun owning society. Even when all was legal, most British have never owned a gun. I know that’s weird for a US citizen. Mass gun owning just isn’t part of the culture.
And the British people can revolt violently when needed. We may be relatively gunless, but we’re not helpless.
‘Indeed. We report differently than you guys. You guys report differently than us. Comparing apples and oranges isn’t helpful.’
At least you understand that.
‘Here’s a thought before it gets much worse for you guys, come on over to the dark side, become the 51st state (we will let you keep your Royals and currency). Deal?
(I am an Anglophile, believe me, and I really enjoy the Scots—got to admire a people that scared the Romans so much that the Romans built a wall to keep them out).’
Fair enough, lol.
I know you are, and I value your opinion.
I’m sure she insulted the prophet or something - so its ok...
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