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Russia Moves Artillery Units Into Ukraine, NATO Says
NY Times ^ | August 22, 2014 | Michael R. Gordon

Posted on 08/22/2014 9:20:32 AM PDT by C19fan

The Russian military has moved artillery units manned by Russian personnel inside Ukrainian territory in recent days and is using them to fire at Ukrainian forces, NATO officials said on Friday.

The West has long accused Russia of supporting the separatist forces in eastern Ukraine, but this is the first time it has said it had evidence of the direct involvement of the Russian military.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: military; nato; obamasfault; putinsfault; russia; ukraine
SHTF
1 posted on 08/22/2014 9:20:32 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

It’s just to support the humanitarian convoy. RT Tweeted so.


2 posted on 08/22/2014 9:23:04 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

So NATO is sitting back sucking an ice cube waiting for the shooting to start.


3 posted on 08/22/2014 9:26:18 AM PDT by ully2
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To: C19fan

In other words, Russia has invaded the Ukraine and our own leadership has gutted our military to the point that we can’t do a thing about it.


4 posted on 08/22/2014 9:27:37 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: ully2
Can't do a darn thing if you fail to have the political willpower. Heck, look at the debates here: "not our problem; Soros' Fault; etc." Just history repeating itself . . . Russia taking itself pieces of its neighbors while we diddle with ourselves.
5 posted on 08/22/2014 9:30:58 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: JamesP81; Cap Huff

Exactly..


6 posted on 08/22/2014 9:31:03 AM PDT by Dog (Founding member of the Osama Bin Laden was alive the whole time club..)
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To: C19fan

Unescorted artillery should make a target rich environment. Of course, the SAMS were moved in first.


7 posted on 08/22/2014 9:32:24 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: 1rudeboy

Putin doesn’t have to stage a full scale invasion...he is just nibbling away around the edges...and the west will wake up one morning and he has Ukraine.


8 posted on 08/22/2014 9:33:12 AM PDT by Dog (Founding member of the Osama Bin Laden was alive the whole time club..)
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To: 1rudeboy
Russia taking itself pieces of its neighbors while we diddle with ourselves.

What's so wrong with diddling with ourselves?

9 posted on 08/22/2014 9:33:13 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: Lazamataz

Makes you blind to the fact that your neighbor down the street occupied another of your neighbor’s houses.


10 posted on 08/22/2014 9:34:36 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: C19fan

whats NATO going to do about it?


11 posted on 08/22/2014 9:35:53 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Lazamataz
My dad told me you'd go blind... but so far I only need glasses.


12 posted on 08/22/2014 9:37:40 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (IN-SAPORIBVS-SICVT-PVLLVM)
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To: C19fan

hmmmm? How those sanctions working?

NATO - as western Europe’s only military alliance, has become politically castrated.


13 posted on 08/22/2014 9:38:16 AM PDT by Wuli
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14 posted on 08/22/2014 9:59:10 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: JamesP81

Exactly. Putin see’s our weakness and lack of resolve as a tremendous opportunity to advance his own interests while our leadership is sleepwalking.


15 posted on 08/22/2014 10:11:42 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard

Putin doesn’t care one way or the other. He will do what he wants to do, to hell with the consequences (because he knows the consequences are minor). Doesn’t matter who is sitting in the Oval Office.


16 posted on 08/22/2014 10:58:35 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: C19fan
NATO claimed this three or four times already and every time it was fabrication.

Soon they'll be seeing pink elephants invading Ukraine.

17 posted on 08/22/2014 11:02:43 AM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA

Thank you for the latest from the Kremlin.


18 posted on 08/22/2014 11:09:43 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

“Putin doesn’t care one way or the other. He will do what he wants to do, to hell with the consequences (because he knows the consequences are minor). Doesn’t matter who is sitting in the Oval Office.”

Pretty much true; but a Reagan as President would likely slow things down a bit. But Pootie Poot is determined to bring back the Soviet Union it appears.


19 posted on 08/22/2014 11:12:13 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

And that’s the problem. We don’t have a Reagan on the horizon.


20 posted on 08/22/2014 11:15:54 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

“And that’s the problem. We don’t have a Reagan on the horizon.”

Lets hope that person emerges when the time is right. Lots of good people in this nation; hopefully the right person will be in place at the right time.


21 posted on 08/22/2014 11:21:40 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: DTA

Only Little Green Men.

Courtesy of that KGB operative Putin and his Putanas


22 posted on 08/22/2014 11:28:29 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: JamesP81

Why SHOULD we do anything about it? It’s not like the Russkies are invading Canada. We have ZERO national interests in Ukraine. If Europe doesn’t like it, THEY should do something about it...

It’s often said, but it’s so true; we AREN’T the world’s ‘police department’. The Europeans can handle this. We can’t just sit back and watch this, unless a NATO country gets attacked, and THEN(and only then) do things change.


23 posted on 08/22/2014 12:21:03 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: SpinnerWebb

Glasses? You should have gotten a girl friend somewhere back around 20/40. Those beer goggles might keep you out of the COCKpit?


24 posted on 08/22/2014 1:03:57 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: KoRn

We don’t exactly have zero interest in Uke-—remember Chernyobel? It’s there and we’ve been helping clean it up. That’s important since we are downwind of the mess. Just for example.


25 posted on 08/22/2014 1:07:37 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: DTA

26 posted on 08/22/2014 1:08:47 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dalebert

How is it a NATO mission to go to war over non NATO nations?


27 posted on 08/22/2014 3:48:22 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

ya


28 posted on 08/22/2014 4:29:34 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: C19fan
"SHTF"

Not yet. It'll be quite a while. You see, the global business constituents in control of the politicians will hold the politicians back from allowing any action against the Ruskies, until enough of their pet foreign allies have been stepped on. And those constituents will suck up to the Russians until then.

Then, the stuff will hit the fan far more than it would, if action were taken against the commie/fascist expansionism now. Global business interests will prevent needed defense action, until the nukes fly from every nation with interests. Very few have a care about it at all, because this is the intensifying dump-on-your-neighbor regime.

Let it go to its conclusion, and may the world to come, come soon.


29 posted on 08/22/2014 6:14:58 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: C19fan

Our bipartisan business, academic and political leadership will want to send millions of American men to a near-future conflict as they did during World War 2: at nearly midnight, under skies full of toxic clouds, to a devastated and overrun Europe.


30 posted on 08/22/2014 6:22:18 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: KoRn

It’s hard to explain sight to a blind man.


31 posted on 08/22/2014 7:08:08 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: JamesP81

Yes, but the Ukrainians, with some support (not requiring us to make even the sort of effort we are making against ISIS) could do a lot about it.


32 posted on 08/22/2014 7:12:00 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: JamesP81

Just like Russian jets zipping low over our naval vessels and off the California coast, because they know Obama is an idiot.


33 posted on 08/22/2014 9:47:35 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Do you think that Putin will be as bad as Stalin? Will he kill millions and advance communism and declare the new USSR a socialist state?


34 posted on 08/23/2014 12:12:53 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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To: KoRn
We have ZERO national interests in Ukraine.

You might have said that during the Cold War against the Soviet Union. But like during the cold war, we have to resist Russian aggression where ever it appears.

35 posted on 08/23/2014 6:04:47 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: ully2

If the MidEast goes up in flames, and it could, NATO and the EU is going to need Russian oil more than ever. Wouldn’t it be smart to give Russia easy pipeline access to the Black Sea and not have to depend on Kiev keeping the oil flowing through western Ukraine?


36 posted on 08/23/2014 6:10:19 AM PDT by grania
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37 posted on 08/23/2014 9:37:06 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: C19fan

And all this time i thought the Russian military was already involved.


38 posted on 08/23/2014 4:05:28 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: FreedomStar3028

I think Putin is fixing to set himself up as Tsar and is just laying the groundwork, working on recreating the former Russian Empire.


39 posted on 08/23/2014 10:26:51 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: KoRn

Agree; right now, we need ot preserve our own dwindling military and deal with our own domestic problems.


40 posted on 08/23/2014 10:27:33 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: CorporateStepsister

See, I don’t think so. I think that Putin knows that the old school communism won’t work. He isn’t an idiot. It’s been tried and failed, in some countries it still is going on, but not well. He may want to take back old USSR territories, but I think more of an empire, or a republic is what he is looking for. Not communism.


41 posted on 08/24/2014 12:45:26 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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To: Dog; Cap Huff; nuconvert; gandalftb

Impressive work:
How to Locate a “Secret” Pro-Russian Training Camp
https://bellingcat.com/resources/case-studies/2014/08/15/how-to-locate-a-secret-pro-russian-training-camp/


42 posted on 08/24/2014 3:51:15 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: FreedomStar3028

Um, the former Russian Tsarist Empire is what I meant and I wasn’t talking about Communism. As for a Republic, the man has been bringing back Romanov symbolism for quite some time. He’s also seen frequently visiting the Pretender, Maria Vladimirovna (whose ancestors have toadied up to every single Russian leader since Stalin).


43 posted on 08/24/2014 10:31:54 AM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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