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What we know about Michael Brown's shooting
CNN ^ | August 12, 2014 | Eliott C. McLaughlin, CNN

Posted on 08/12/2014 9:14:52 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

It's a case of he said, he said. The accounts of why a police officer fatally shot Michael Brown on a street in Ferguson, Missouri, this weekend couldn't be more disparate.

One side says the teenager was surrendering, his hands in the air to show he was unarmed, when the officer opened fire. Authorities counter that Brown attacked the officer in his car and tried to take his gun....

Here's what CNN has learned ...

Brown and a friend were walking to Harris' house, his mother and grandmother said, when a Ferguson police officer confronted them.

This is where the stories part ways.

Dorian Johnson told CNN affiliate KTVI that he and Brown were walking in the middle of the street, and the officer told them to use the sidewalk....

There was an exchange of words, witness Piaget Crenshaw told the station, and the officer exited his vehicle and fired a shot. Both teens ran, Crenshaw said.

Johnson told KTVI he hid behind a car, but Brown stopped after a second shot was fired. Brown held up his hands to show he wasn't armed, Johnson and Crenshaw said, and the officer shot him twice.

"(The officer) shot again and once my friend felt that shot, he turned around and put his hands in the air," Johnson told KMOV. "He started to get down and the officer still approached with his weapon drawn and fired several more shots."

That Brown was unarmed seems undisputed -- St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said every casing found at the scene was from the officer's weapon -- but he said in a Sunday news conference that Brown was not an innocent victim.

"The genesis of this was a physical confrontation," said Belmar ....

(Excerpt) Read more at edition.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ferguson; mikebrown
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The name of the officer which was due to be released at noon is not now going to be released because of death threats against the officer.
1 posted on 08/12/2014 9:14:52 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
witness Piaget Crenshaw told the station, and the officer exited his vehicle and fired a shot

Yeah right! ...put her on the witness stand!

She's as credible as Rachel Jeantel, Trayvon's star witness.

2 posted on 08/12/2014 9:20:55 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Uncle Chip
I am absolutely SICK of this "unarmed" crap - because it is pure CRAP!!!!

An unarmed person CAN STILL POSE A THREAT!!! I'm not trying to exonerate the officer here, but the fact of a shooting victim being "unarmed" is not, should not, be automatically condemning of the shooter.

George Zimmerman shot Trayvon for good cause. A man with a criminal intent IS "armed" with that intent.

3 posted on 08/12/2014 9:22:08 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: Uncle Chip

“Here’s what CNN has learned ...”

Lost me right there.


4 posted on 08/12/2014 9:24:24 AM PDT by GT Vander (Life's priorities; God, Family, Country. Everything else is just details...)
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To: Uncle Chip

I am not one to trust police at all. But in this case the start witness is saying the cop just got out and shot multiple times? I have a hard time believing that. But now that the race hustlers are involved and the police department is on defense we’ll never know what happened. There’s going to be dash cam video or a cell video that will never be shown once Sharpton and Crump get their settlement checks.


5 posted on 08/12/2014 9:24:31 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Uncle Chip
Thanks UC

This blog says that "All we know is that two men allegedly attacked a police officer, and at least one of them ended up dead. The police chief says they assaulted the officer while he was getting out of his car, and that a struggle over the officer’s firearm ensued" - - Read more at http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/08/11/police-officers-arent-the-ones-destroying-the-black-community/#i2yfMkG3m5pMzef8.99 ...which is a little more information...

6 posted on 08/12/2014 9:24:45 AM PDT by virgil283 (Life is hard .....its harder if you re stupid.... - John Wayne)
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To: All

I heard he was sitting in a church, reading the bible to blind children when the po-leece kicked down the door and just shot him for no reason..


7 posted on 08/12/2014 9:26:23 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: virgil283
Authorities counter that Brown attacked the officer in his car and tried to take his gun....

"The police chief says they assaulted the officer while he was getting out of his car, and that a struggle over the officer’s firearm ensued"

Which is it?

8 posted on 08/12/2014 9:26:46 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: Uncle Chip
From earlier....

This “unarmed teen” has been charged with :
Description: Burglary – 1st Degree { Felony B RSMo: 569.160 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1401000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Next Charge/Judgment
Description: Armed Criminal Action { Felony Unclassified RSMo: 571.015 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Next Charge/Judgment
Description: Assault 1st Degree – Serious Physical Injury { Felony A RSMo: 565.050 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1301100
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Next Charge/Judgment
Description: Armed Criminal Action { Felony Unclassified RSMo: 571.015 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
19 posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:09:11 AM by harwood (You don't wanna go there.)
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9 posted on 08/12/2014 9:28:07 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: fwdude

Exactly. Fortunately for the rest of us, the burden of proof isn’t nearly as high as it it for police when defending ourselves (at least in Michigan)


10 posted on 08/12/2014 9:29:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("Moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum.)
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To: GT Vander

“Here’s what CNN has learned ...”

“Lost me right there.”

Exactly, and then they go on report one side of the story.


11 posted on 08/12/2014 9:31:03 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Organic Panic

There is no dashcam video but there has to be validating forensic evidence elsewhere.

If there was struggle for the gun then the kid’s fingerprints would have to be on it somewhere — same with the DNA.

And then the location of the gun shell casings — if they are 35 feet away from where the struggle for the gun took place in the front seat of the car — then ...


12 posted on 08/12/2014 9:34:25 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: fwdude
An unarmed person CAN STILL POSE A THREAT!!! I'm not trying to exonerate the officer here, but the fact of a shooting victim being "unarmed" is not, should not, be automatically condemning of the shooter.

George Zimmerman shot Trayvon for good cause. A man with a criminal intent IS "armed" with that intent.

Excellent point. Thanks for sharing fwdude.

13 posted on 08/12/2014 9:35:26 AM PDT by GOPJ (If everything is terrorism, then nothing is terrorism - former senior FBI special agent David Gomez)
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To: virgil283
at least one of them ended up dead

"At least one of them"?

Editor? Editor? Anyone?

14 posted on 08/12/2014 9:36:10 AM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Where did you find that bit of info? link?


15 posted on 08/12/2014 9:36:23 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: Uncle Chip

That video of Dorian Johnson sounds very credible to me.

I live in an affluent, low-crime town, but you can regularly hear just a basic traffic cop taunting and barking at a simple pedestrian or driver if the cop perceives movement that he didn’t expressly authorize. I can only imagine such a situation in a less crowded area, if his target didn’t immediately respond, apologize and do just what requested, especially if black teens were involved in an area where there is a lot of black crime.

On some level this really isn’t that different than all the cops shooting dogs needlessly because of a perceived threat.


16 posted on 08/12/2014 9:36:29 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: fwdude

An unarmed person (35 feet away) CAN STILL POSE A THREAT!!!


17 posted on 08/12/2014 9:43:45 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Uncle Chip

CNN is almost asbadas MSNBC
tis crap from the link
“ there were also reports of fires, looting, vandalism and attacks on police officers.:

There have been reports? I guess cnn couldn’t be bothered cover the wholesale carnage burning and looting going on all over the city.


18 posted on 08/12/2014 9:45:39 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: GT Vander
--- “Here’s what CNN has learned ...” Lost me right there.


ROGER THAT!

CNN doesn't learn. They look for opportunities to support their agenda.

19 posted on 08/12/2014 9:46:50 AM PDT by Baynative (How much longer will the media be able to prop up this administration?)
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To: Uncle Chip

But there is video take with cell phones that was confiscated rather quickly by the cops. Will that ever see the light of day? If it doesn’t exonerate the cop I really doubt it.


20 posted on 08/12/2014 9:47:09 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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