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No, America Is Not Turning Libertarian
New York Magazine ^ | August 7, 2014 | Jonathan Chait

Posted on 08/07/2014 4:30:50 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Barack Obama’s first term provoked the Republican Party’s most libertarian moment since the Goldwater campaign, or perhaps even the advent of the New Deal. Several things thrust the GOP in this direction. Needing to distance themselves from the failures of the now-departed Republican administration, most lurched toward the conclusion that George W. Bush had failed because he had embraced big government and forsaken the true free-market path. As it had under Bill Clinton, the Republican base grew more suspicious of the use of military power with a Democrat in office. And the scope of Obama’s economic agenda tended to overshadow social fissures. The result was an anti-statist outburst, bringing to the Party’s fore such libertarian figures as Glenn Beck, Rick Santelli, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, and the Koch brothers; a huge spike in sales of Ayn Rand novels; and a flowering of bluntly anti-statist policy and rhetoric.

The force of this moment has already receded, as most Republicans have subsequently recognized that their dalliance with Randian themes saddled them with a massive political liability that they are working diligently to undo. The political energy lies in downplaying its anti-government extremism and repositioning the Party — either substantively or rhetorically, depending on your view — as a more middle-class-friendly entity.

Robert Draper’s New York Times Magazine cover story oddly presents libertarianism as the GOP’s possible future path and obvious salvation rather than a liability it is trying badly to shake off.

The premise undergirding the story is that libertarians hold a unique generational claim to America’s political future. Draper quotes the Reason Foundation’s pollster, who tells him that voters under 30 “agree with Democrats on social issues, and on economic issues lean more to the right.” The premise that young voters lean distinctly libertarian returns through the story repeatedly.

Reason has invested a great deal of money and time in promoting its claim to represent America’s youth, including regular polls that purport to bolster this claim. It’s important to understand that, since small changes in the framing of a poll can produce dramatically different responses, it is possible to produce polling that seems to show agreement with any position the sponsor of the poll desires. Advocacy organizations routinely sponsor polls that show the public supportive of their own position. Reason is the only magazine I know of that uses this tactic.

But polling produced by non-advocacy organizations does not yield this conclusion. It certainly shows that voters under 30, who vote strongly Democratic, have strongly liberal views on most foreign-policy and social issues, as libertarians do. The crucial difference lies in economics, where libertarians veer sharply right and young voters veer sharply left. This can be seen in specific instances, like health care, where young voters are far more likely than older ones to support an expanded government role. Like most Americans, they strongly support the maintenance of specific programs, such as Social Security. Unlike most Americans, they actually favor bigger government in the abstract:

Opposition to big government in the abstract is a hardy feature of American opinion. Older Americans oppose “bigger government” in the abstract by a margin of some 40 percentage points. That young voters actually favor “bigger government” in the abstract is a sea change in generational opinion, not to mention conclusive evidence against their alleged libertarianism.

Draper notes that “fully half of voters between ages 18 and 29 are unwedded to either party.” This is Reason’s most persistently repeated polling factoid. It is true that younger voters are more likely than older voters to self-identify as independents. This represents a longstanding generational shift — identification as an independent signals an openness to evidence rather than reflexive party loyalty. But political scientists and pollsters alike recognize that identification as an “independent” does not mean a propensity to change one’s partisan voting behavior. Functional partisans are simply more likely to call themselves “independents,” which explains why millenials' strong tendency to self-identify as independent coexists with their strong tendency to vote Democratic. (It also explains why the libertarian show on the Fox Business Network is called The Independents.)

It is true that some social issues have also weighed on the Party. Draper presents Rand Paul as the primary driving force in the Party’s efforts to minimize its social liabilities, though there’s no evidence that Paul has gone farther than other mainstream Republicans on this front. He opposes gay marriage and immigration reform, though, like many other Republicans, seeks to downplay them as issues. He has advocated more lenient sentencing laws, but so have numerous other Republicans, like Rick Perry and Paul Ryan. Draper calls Paul "the only likely Republican presidential candidate to venture into the hostile territory of college campuses and Latino and African-American groups." That is clearly not true.

Draper’s story presents the libertarians’ self-conception in their preferred terms. It describes the Competitive Enterprise Institute, which funds an annual libertarian gala in Washington, as “a 30-year-old organization that routinely sues federal agencies, often when new and onerous regulations are posted in the Federal Register,” as opposed to, say, a think tank advocating the regulatory interests of its business donors, primarily the denial of climate science.

Draper describes Nick Gillespie, the “intellectual godfather” of the libertarian magazine Reason, who is known for appearing in Washington in all weather, outdoors and indoors, clad in his trademark leather jacket, like so:

Nick Gillespie is to libertarianism what Lou Reed is to rock ‘n’ roll, the quintessence of its outlaw spirit. He is 50, a former writer for teen and heavy-metal magazines, habitually garbed in black from head to toe, wry and mournful in expression, a tormented romantic who quotes Jack Kerouac.

Well ... that's one way to put it.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2014midterms; homosexualagenda; libertarians

1 posted on 08/07/2014 4:30:50 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

The libturdian legacy in America is LGBTXYZ marriage, dope and a suicidal foreign policy


2 posted on 08/07/2014 4:37:19 PM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: nickcarraway
Google "Chait and Reason."

They have some kind of feud going on.

I guess the magazine should be grateful they have such a faithful (mis)reader.

3 posted on 08/07/2014 4:38:22 PM PDT by x
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To: nickcarraway
Even as late as the 70's people still talked about the possibility of eliminating Social Security and Medicare as being unconstitutional. Not that it would ever happen, but at least it was something imaginable.

I don't think I've heard anyone talk about the possibility of eliminating SS or Medicare in decades. W's attempts to privatize SS were the closest we came.

4 posted on 08/07/2014 4:43:27 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: nickcarraway

If Jackass Chait said it, 95% of the time it’s a lie or an error.


5 posted on 08/07/2014 4:54:26 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: muir_redwoods; MinuteGal

Too many Libertarians crawling around on these threads trying to pass themselves off as conservatives. They aren’t, and neither is Rand Paul, who is at heart, just like his old man, a Libertarian.


6 posted on 08/07/2014 5:38:25 PM PDT by flaglady47 (The useful idiots always go first)
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To: nickcarraway

Need to start cataloguing which members of the media are useful idiots and which ones are full-fledged members of the politburo. I’d vote useful idiot on this one.


7 posted on 08/07/2014 5:45:22 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: flaglady47
Yeah, like this old fool

"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is. "

8 posted on 08/07/2014 6:11:44 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: nickcarraway

No. America isn’t turning libertarian.

That is a pity.

Better them than the RINO’s and Communists running us into the ground full tilt...


9 posted on 08/07/2014 6:14:37 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: muir_redwoods

Freedom is for suckers... Vote for Kang or Kodos...


10 posted on 08/07/2014 6:15:03 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: muir_redwoods

I see what you did there.
+1


11 posted on 08/07/2014 6:28:17 PM PDT by Sparklite
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To: Sparklite

Sadly, you’re one of the few to see it.


12 posted on 08/07/2014 6:36:26 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: nickcarraway

Sadly, the headline of the article is true. There are too many people of all stripes addicted to government largesse, be it for what ever reason. I am starting to come around to the opinion that the Founders and the generations that followed up until the 20th Century were a remarkable bunch. They really meant it when they instituted limited government and lived by its tenets. Today too many want to be king. Everybody wants to tell everybody else how to live their lives, not by persuasion but by force.


13 posted on 08/07/2014 8:27:49 PM PDT by gusty
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To: nickcarraway

The 2% of the Liberaltarian voting population sure has some grandiose expectations.


14 posted on 08/07/2014 11:14:46 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks ( Laughter is the best medicine, unless you have diarrhea.)
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To: gusty

....And then there are those who want to be left alone.


15 posted on 08/08/2014 5:04:13 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Yeah, well, the Tea Party is just a flash in the pan, too, or so the opposition declared.


16 posted on 08/08/2014 10:01:53 AM PDT by Sparklite
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