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European Union slaps new, stronger sanctions on Russia
LA TIMES ^ | 29 Jul 14 | HENRY CHU

Posted on 07/29/2014 12:39:31 PM PDT by elhombrelibre

Edited on 07/29/2014 12:53:52 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

The 28-nation European Union agreed Tuesday on stronger economic sanctions against Russia amid ongoing anger concerning the conflict in eastern Ukraine and the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, the great majority of whose passengers were Europeans..

As expected, the sanctions -- to be outlined in detail Wednesday -- will target selected sectors of the Russian economy, including energy, finance and defense. New arms deals, exports of energy and oil-drilling technologies, and sales of items with both civilian and military applications will be forbidden.


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Paying the price of Putinism and ultra- Russian chauvinism demagoguery just went up for the Russians.
1 posted on 07/29/2014 12:39:31 PM PDT by elhombrelibre
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To: elhombrelibre
From the article:

"Despite U.S. impatience, European leaders had hesitated to slap tougher sanctions on Moscow for fear of harming their own struggling economies. However, their belief that Russian President Vladimir Putin has not only declined to rein in pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine but egged them on -- even after the crash of Flight 17 -- stiffened EU resolve to increase the pressure.

“The situation did not leave EU countries with any other option,” Finnish Prime Minister Alexander Stubbs said after EU ambassadors, including Finland’s, signed off on the new sanctions Tuesday afternoon at a meeting in Brussels."

2 posted on 07/29/2014 12:41:39 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

All of this crap, thousands dead, cities destroyed, families separated. And all Obama had to say was, “tomorrow Keystone will be fast tracked.”


3 posted on 07/29/2014 12:46:38 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (GM is dead and Al Queada is alive.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Russians must be infuriated by the prankster just now...LoL!


4 posted on 07/29/2014 12:51:35 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: elhombrelibre
Satellite video of launched AA-missile on 17 of July
5 posted on 07/29/2014 12:53:34 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I hope so. I hope it is a wake up call. Putin is and has been overplaying his hand.


6 posted on 07/29/2014 12:54:21 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Putin is deranged, he is probably on the floor chewing the carpet.


7 posted on 07/29/2014 12:56:50 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

If he truly wants to bring back the Soviet Empire, he’s going to have to reopen the Gulag because its going to require that type of terror to get there. As it is, he’s changed from a path of working with the West (like he did briefly during the Bush years) to one of undermining the West, enriching himself and his cronies, and threatening all of his neighbors. The tradeoff between his ambitions and the Russian capacity means scarcity and terror once again, even Putinistas will come to see that in due time.


8 posted on 07/29/2014 1:06:02 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

You’re confusing Hillary with Putin. Oh, you meant REAL carpet.


9 posted on 07/29/2014 1:11:04 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps. And they're all stupid.)
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To: elhombrelibre

“New arms deals, exports of energy and oil-drilling technologies, and sales of items with both civilian and military applications will be forbidden.”

Ah, now that France has already made its big arms deal with Putin, sanctions on “new deals” are to banned. Spineless hypocrites.

Obama should be telling U.S. energy importers that no Russian energy supplies (largest non-Opec crude oil supplier to the U.S. after Mexico) can come here. That will (1) make them cheaper elsewhere, which (2) will lower Putin’s revenue from them.


10 posted on 07/29/2014 1:18:35 PM PDT by Wuli
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11 posted on 07/29/2014 1:19:19 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: elhombrelibre
Leading from behind by the boy king will come to a head when in retaliation for sanctions Putin nationalizes the Exxon/Mobil/BP assets that are on the ground in Russia. When the Russian soldiers take over the drilling rigs and run the Americans employees out, what will bath house Barry do?
12 posted on 07/29/2014 1:21:31 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: elhombrelibre

“It didn’t have to be like this.”

Bet Vlad was frothing when he heard that from the prankster.


13 posted on 07/29/2014 1:22:09 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Chewing carpet? Lolol

I hope they shampooed it,, he had the tigers in there a few days ago.. And his bear.


14 posted on 07/29/2014 1:33:39 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: Gabrial
Actually, there is plenty of evidence that investors are taking their capital out already. Certainly wealthy Russians have been fleeing Putin for a long time, and now the risk-taking capitalists are seeing the risk of an autocrat can be too high.

And I don't think Obama will do anything, really. Putin ambitions threaten people in Russia, near Russia, and far from Russia (even near the US). I don't see Obama's unpatriotic feckless approach and lackadaisicalness about democracy as a benefit for people who want a peaceful world. And Putin's actions have shown he's eager to become the new Soviet man turned Peter (or Putin) the Great. He's a menace and a threat to liberty, property, and security. Capitalists won't miss the scale of Putin's threats.

15 posted on 07/29/2014 1:38:36 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
I'm no financial wizard but U.S. sales to Russia have only risen since sanctions imposed something doesn't make sense here.
16 posted on 07/29/2014 1:39:45 PM PDT by McGruff (Was George Bush a Putinista?)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

That sat video is fake apparently.


17 posted on 07/29/2014 1:43:55 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: NormsRevenge
The expression is an old one that was applied to Hitler. It's still unclear if in his case he literally chewed the carpet. William Shirer used the expression in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

I'm quoting Shirer:

"....And he explained that Hitler had been in such a maniacal mood over the Czechs the last few days that on more than one occasion he had lost control of himself completely, hurling himself to the floor and chewing the edge of the carpet. Hence the term ”carpet eater.” The evening before, while talking with some of the party hacks at the Dreesen, I had heard the expression applied to the Fuehrer – in whispers, of course.376"

18 posted on 07/29/2014 1:44:16 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: McGruff

Things often rise right before they fall, like gravity. What was true yesterday for some things in economics isn’t going to be true tomorrow.


19 posted on 07/29/2014 1:46:02 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: McGruff
It has a very good explanation in your linked article

Robert Kahn, a senior fellow in international economics at the Council on Foreign Relations, said the rise in exports was evidence that Russian companies were stockpiling goods with the expectation that future sanctions would prevent U.S. companies from selling to their country.

Russians were stockpiling as they need these high tech products to enable their own production and were afraid of the upcoming sanctions.

20 posted on 07/29/2014 1:51:47 PM PDT by Krosan
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To: elhombrelibre

An “unusual trend” in imports makes me think it’s Russians buying up stuff they fear might be embargoed. High tech gear, etc.


21 posted on 07/29/2014 1:53:20 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: elhombrelibre

Thanks for that history,, German shepherds and other dogs must have made the bunker a little pungent. Probably why PhotoOpObama tried to get out of the WH so much.


22 posted on 07/29/2014 1:55:26 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: elhombrelibre

Does that mean they are not going to buy the oil and gas anymore?


23 posted on 07/29/2014 2:15:34 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: McGruff

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10981648/Russia-vastly-outgunned-in-economic-showdown-with-West.html


24 posted on 07/29/2014 2:25:38 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: McGruff

That’s called the dead cat bounce —


25 posted on 07/29/2014 2:27:37 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: babygene
Quoting from the TELEGRAPH article:

"The Kremlin can in theory use gas as a diplomatic weapon but this would ravage Russia’s own economy. It would not achieve much at this time of the year in any case since Europe has built up large gas reserves.

The EU has huge spare capacity for imports of liquefied natural gas (LNG), and there is no longer an acute shortage of global LNG supplies. Several pipelines have been modified since 2009 so that gas can be funnelled both ways, reaching most EU areas. Both Poland and Lithuania will be opening new LNG terminals this year.

Even if Russian cut off gas to Europe, the West could meet its power needs by a variety of means. “If we have to, we can fire up a lot of idle coal-powered plants. It would take time, but only months,” said Professor Alan Riley, from City University.

“The real danger is that we hit Russia too hard and crash the whole Russian economy. Nobody wants to do that,” he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10981648/Russia-vastly-outgunned-in-economic-showdown-with-West.html

26 posted on 07/29/2014 2:30:42 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: McGruff

If Romney were in power, we would have declared Russia a terrorist state and slapped sanctions similar to what Iran and North Korea have on it right now. We would have also engaged in a massive arms buildup in Eastern Europe and sent in special forces to help the Ukrainians. We would also have given the Israelis a free hand in dealing with Hamas. And, finally, we would be building up our forces in the Eastern Pacific to hold China at bay.


27 posted on 07/29/2014 2:54:43 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: McGruff

Finally, the sanctions would not only be slapped on Russia, but also on Belarus, Kazakhstan, and other CIS states.


28 posted on 07/29/2014 2:56:07 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Thunder90

It honestly sounds like you WANT war with Russia and China. At the same time.


29 posted on 07/29/2014 3:19:23 PM PDT by BreakingWorse
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To: elhombrelibre

The article you posted is from 21st and it expressed doubts if Europe actually manages to get itself together and enact the phase 3 sanctions. Today we know Europe did.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/europe-agrees-on-tough-new-sanctions-against-russia-diplomats-say/


30 posted on 07/29/2014 3:33:15 PM PDT by Krosan
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31 posted on 07/29/2014 4:42:15 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: elhombrelibre

It’s still small change and symbolic. You can’t do economic sanctions on a country with that much land mass and resources. It would be harder than putting economic sanctions on the United States.


32 posted on 07/29/2014 4:42:18 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Putin should just sends the Russian army and crushes the Ukraine, they ain’t got nothing to lose.


33 posted on 07/29/2014 5:16:50 PM PDT by Monorprise
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34 posted on 07/29/2014 5:19:01 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Uncle Chip

Putin apologists seem to have gone into hiding.


35 posted on 07/29/2014 5:21:19 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Eleutheria5

You can, you just probably wont keep them. Russia is a natural resource exporter, if the west doesn’t buy their assets, china will.

Putin should just get it over with and send his whole army into Crimea to crush the Ukrainian one. The euros and Obama will throw a fit but ultimately do nothing. Backing down on the other hand will hurt Russia’s gains.

If I were Putin I’d take the territory and wait out the ‘sanctions’.


36 posted on 07/29/2014 5:21:50 PM PDT by Monorprise
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“Putin apologists seem to have gone into hiding.”
Putin apologist? Why would anyone apologize for Putin?

I for one never cared if Russia took over Crimina . It makes no difference to my country or my state, and to be honest I believe it makes little difference to Crimina either.(not that that should matter to us either) Crimea has belonged to Russia far longer than it belonged to the Ukraine.

But the bottom line is, Supporting the Ukraine who has done or offered nothing to us only undercuts the value of the MUTUAL defense alliances we do have.

There is nothing to be gained for theses united States to rise to the Ukraine’s defense. We only risk economic relations with Russia which is important, and as i mentioned before undercut the value of alliances.(why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?)

I am entirely against involvement of any kind for that reason. Am I apologizing for Putin? No I honestly don’t think Putin has anything to apologize to us or Europe.


37 posted on 07/29/2014 5:38:26 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise

Putin is a strong leader, and does what he thinks is right for RUSSIA. If Putin had been born an American, and had the ambitions and connections he did to rise to power in Russia, America and the world would be much different today.

Our border would be secure, Gaza would be Israels. We would have won the war in Iraq, and Afghanistan or at least likely still be there planning on winning. Our economy would be booming, because we would be drilling in our massive untapped oil deposits. Faggots would not be getting into the army. America would be a much greater place with a character as strong as Putin but with more wisdom and restraint in charge. He’s a patriot, I cannot think of any other word. Some of the things he has done are pretty terrible. I don’t see how someone could not admire the man. But that’s just me. Ukraine was a part of Russia longer than it wasn’t. He wants the USSR back. So what? If we had lost WWII and America was carved up, wouldn’t some of us want America back? Of course.

Too bad he wasn’t born an American.


38 posted on 07/29/2014 7:12:27 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
[All of this crap, thousands dead, cities destroyed, families separated. And all Obama had to say was, “tomorrow Keystone will be fast tracked.”]

And announce a plan to dump 25 percent of the U.S. strategic oil reserve on the market.

39 posted on 07/29/2014 8:18:30 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Gabrial

Doesn’t BP have about 20% interests with Glazprom?


40 posted on 07/29/2014 8:42:45 PM PDT by caww
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To: Wuli

...”France has already made its big arms deal with Putin, sanctions on “new deals” are to banned”.....

France wouldn’t sign up with EU’S on Obama’s new sanctions against Russia unless their deal with Russia was spared.


41 posted on 07/29/2014 8:45:50 PM PDT by caww
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To: McGruff

....”something doesn’t make sense here”.....

Oil wars are in play and some of Russia’s former Oligarchs own these...oil is money and money is power...some of these Oligarch’s would love nothing better then to pull Putin down and are “busy” behind the scenes. .....As one of their representatives stated during the Orange Revolution in Ukraine.......”You work behind the scenes - it’s like science - you do some tinkering then something big comes out of it!”

Their hands in happenings are seldom seen...but Putin knows who they are and what and why they are doing what they’re doing.


42 posted on 07/29/2014 8:53:31 PM PDT by caww
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To: FreedomStar3028

....” He’s a patriot, I cannot think of any other word. Some of the things he has done are pretty terrible. I don’t see how someone could not admire the man. But that’s just me. Ukraine was a part of Russia longer than it wasn’t. He wants the USSR back. So what? If we had lost WWII and America was carved up, wouldn’t some of us want America back? Of course”.......

Some of our Presidents have done some pretty terrible things as well, but we rarely discuss these, anymore than Russians do Putin’s. I agree is a Patriot to his Nation and peoples....and I think what he desires more than anything is his peoples approval. He will do whatever is necessary to gain this and continue to restore Russia from it’s fall. That hardly warrents all the anti-Russian propaganda ‘campaign’ we’re seeing MSM news and others carrying. Even journalists are complaining about this now.

Crimeains have been having referendum’s and pushing for returning to Russia for many years.....but most don’t know it’s history....this time they won it.

My concern is the personal animosity Putin and Obama have for each other and are bringing to the table, which is no longer hidden. Putin being former KGB and Obama Chicago thug swinging it out over Ukraine isn’t exactly wise with so much at stake....and the costs so high. But then Ukriane is the “Golden” spoon Eu knows it has to have to further expand out to the Urals...which is their ultimate plan.


43 posted on 07/29/2014 9:13:26 PM PDT by caww
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To: Monorprise

You’re wrong. It could get a lot worse for Russia and Putin. The West could collapse his economy.


44 posted on 07/29/2014 10:00:51 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: dfwgator

You may think he’s laughing, but this isn’t some ascetic monk we’re talking about. He and his friends like the high life. Capital continues to flee Russia. Things are going to get much worse for him, his cronies, and the Russian people.


45 posted on 07/29/2014 10:02:18 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Krosan

Yes, I know that. And my point was that those who think Putin and Putinism are invulnerable are ignoring what makes our economies work today.


46 posted on 07/29/2014 10:04:00 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: FreedomStar3028

Yeah, too bad he was a secret policeman and a communist like his dad, too. I guess the real Putin appeals to you, the former commie turned ultra-nationalist despot. He’s a strong leader the same as many other dictators are.


47 posted on 07/29/2014 10:06:25 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

“You’re wrong. It could get a lot worse for Russia and Putin. The West could collapse his economy.”

Very unlikely the west would even try, and doubtful that they would be successful if they did. Honestly we are only hurting ourselves with participation in sanctions.

We can never gain anything of significant from supporting the Ukraine. They will never be able to rise to our defense even if they had ever agreed to or were inclined to.


48 posted on 07/30/2014 3:56:26 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: FreedomStar3028

You know, I think your right, If and only if Putin had American Conservative rather than Russian values.

But the same could be said of most strong leaders.

That being said I very much withhold any judgement on Putin and his Russian values as I know little to nothing about him and what those values are.

The only thing that bothers me is the utter wast of our involvement. We only stand to lose by supporting the Ukraine against Russia. The Ukraine has nothing we want or could ever need. Russia on the other hand has a whole lot of things we want and will need.


49 posted on 07/30/2014 4:05:40 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: caww
Their hands in happenings are seldom seen...but Putin knows who they are and what and why they are doing what they’re doing.

Do you suppose these players, "some of Russia’s former Oligarchs" working against Putin, have taken all necessary precautions... ?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/AlexanderLitvinenkoHospital.jpg

50 posted on 07/30/2014 8:34:29 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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