Posted on 07/16/2014 4:26:49 PM PDT by Nachum
I have no idea what you’re talking about or who Valerie is.
It’s understood optimistic people mean well, but perhaps but they should consider what is being said more carefully.
If you believe this was a BP virtual mutiny, where BP agents refused to obey orders which caused the buses Murrieta in to be turned around, and not hundreds the protestors in the highway, OK. I have no problem with that.
However it’s my guess there would be no way to hide these actions and events since:
#1 it would have been an historic event for them to refuse orders and conduct a mutiny against their supervisors/commanders.
#2. BP agents would have lost their jobs, and or at minimum been severely retaliated against by their superiors and supervisors in that agency and from others.
#3. If these events actually occurred, this would have been exposed and made news on a national level for weeks. There would have been whistle blowers coming forward who were retaliated against etc, etc.
That might be true.
But was this federal agency ever empowered to refuse direct orders and conduct a mutiny against their superiors?
Are you not the same one who implied I was someone else here apparently attempting to be deceitful after an unknown, unnamed person stated it was a federal agency who refused orders? Alleging they actually mutinied against their superiors and got those buses turned buses around?
Thanks for posting this, and thanks for the ping.
Wrong
Is that your entire argument?
Specifically what are you talking about regarding #61
I take it that you never worked in a large organization where the indians have ample opportunity to sabotage the plans of the chiefs.
You can do plenty without giving your superiors enough proof to hang you. Helping your friends and neighbors organize resistance on the sly and tipping them off would be very easy to do. It just takes a cell phone.
You’ve been posting as if BP management can prove that there is a mutiny among the rank and file. Well there is a big difference between having strong suspicions that something is going on and having enough proof to charge your employees with a firing offense.
If the local agents are involved in helping their Murrieta neighbors they would have to be incredibly stupid to announce that fact on the internet for the world to see.
This begs the question Pelham.
Would their superiors not already know who amongst their own BP agency conducted this alleged mutiny and refused direct orders?
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In addition, after their superiors ID'd all the mutineers and those who refused orders, were all their transfers based on retaliation, kept top secret?
I'm not talking about Indians Pelham. I'm talking about a federal agency where an unknown persons have alleged there was a federal mutiny and federal agents refused orders.
Feel free to answer the questions instead of evading them.
BTW, If there was a virtual mutiny and federal agents refused orders how could their supervisors and the heads of this federal agency not know it?
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Let me see if I get it here.
You’re now suggesting these federal border agents did not mutiny, and did not refuse orders from superiors? But instead they covertly and secretly aided, abetted, assisted and organized all the protesters and showed them how to block the buses and stage this protest?
So this was one big secret operation put on by members of a federal agency in an effort to get people to protest and block these buses that other federal agencies were bringing in?
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There are ways to frustrate policies without openly refusing orders. And not being in possession of orders issued to BP agents on the day in question I see no reason to assume that they refused to do anything.
“But instead they covertly and secretly aided, abetted, assisted and organized all the protesters and showed them how to block the buses and stage this protest?”
How hard do you think that would be? They live among the people who protested. The organizers and protestors are their friends and neighbors.
“So this was one big secret operation put on by members of a federal agency in an effort to get people to protest and block these buses that other federal agencies were bringing in?”
Doesn’t that sound impressive. ‘Members of a federal agency’ could just as easily describe postal workers, another scary group known to occasionally engage in ‘big secret operations’ when their bosses annoy them. You’re injecting the idea that the BP ‘organized’ the protest and there’s not the slightest reason to assume that was needed or that that is true.
The Murrieta BP didn’t have to organize anything to get people to protest. They are in sympathy with their friends and neighbors and they were in a position to tip them off when the buses were coming.
Very good point.
So, EVERYONE, WHO WOULD BE THE BEST SOURCE TO CONTACT TO VERIFY THE TRUTH OF THIS ARTICLE? WOULD IT BE BREITBART NEWS, RUSH LIMBAUGH..HE HAS INSIDERS WHO PROVIDE HIM WITH INFO....ANY OTHER IDEAS??????
God Bless Them,
Yes!
Why are you evading nearly every single question I ask you?
They are all based on your own comments and responses.
Shall I list the questions with numbers to make it easy for you? I have no problem doing that.
Lemme know.
BTW, where did you obtain all this information alleging these federal border agents did not mutiny, and did not refuse orders from superiors?
You’re now alleging they covertly and secretly aided, abetted, assisted and organized all the protesters and showed them how to block the buses?
Where did this information come from? It’s certainly not in the article or story.
Did this come out of your own head?
Where are you pulling this information out of?
The article stated federal agents, rank and file "virtually mutinied" against their superiors effectively disobeyed orders.
So once again, where are you pulling all this information out of Mr. Pelham? The story above is saying something totally different from what you're alleging.
What's up with that?
HA!!
The problem is with your own reading comprehension.
The article says “virtual” mutiny. It mentions “effectively” disobeying orders. There is a distinction between “virtual” mutiny and open mutiny. Between “effective” disobedience and open disobedience.
The writer added those modifiers for a purpose. See if you can figure out why he chose them.
Why are you evading all the questions, which are based on your own responses/comments?
Shall I list them all again?
Now you’re suggesting there was no real mutiny and no one in the BP actually disobeyed orders?
Is this not inconsistent or conflict with what you said last night?
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This begs the question Pelham.
Would their BP superiors not already know who amongst their own BP agency conducted this alleged virtual mutiny and refused orders?
Are you now suggesting there was NO mutiny, no disobeying orders? Are you suggesting there will be no retaliation for these actions?
Or are you now alleging this was simply Border Patrol agents who live in Murrieta neighborhoods, who somehow contacted all these protestors behind the scenes and assisted and organized them them to stop the buses??
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